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I'll start:
Do parents ever think their children are ugly, or are we hardwired to think every kid we pop out is the Gerber Baby?
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Haha, this thread is going to be great!
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ugh. It's bad enough I have to suffer these updates on f@cetard.
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Jenna,
This thread is for parents. Take your barren stinkhole elsewhere.
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^joke.
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I'm not joking. This thread is about PARENTS keeping it REAL.
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my kids are sooooo ugly
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We're off to a great start! Let's try and stick to the topic though:
Do parents ever think their children are ugly, or are we hardwired to think every kid we pop out is the Gerber Baby?
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Kids need to get their ass kicked more for screwing up. they also need to know what it feels like to want. It builds character. When I used to get my ass kicked 30 years ago my old man wouldn't even try to sugarcoat it by saying it was going to hurt him more than me, he just said that I screwed up and now I was going to get my ass kicked. When you're a kid you don't care about right or wrong but you sure do wish to avoid getting your ass kicked.
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I am convinced that my daughter is adorable. I assume some of that is hardwired. There are children I do find ugly.
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my dad never kicked my ass and I actually turned out super awesome.
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Yes, stu, other peoples children! They look like goblins! My son is so fucking cute, but do those other parents know? Someone on here has to have an ugly baby.
MM, stick to the topic at hand and we'll stay out of your yard.
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Plus within the last year my mom said she knew what stupid people looked like, and that I was a stupid person. I think it was their way of expressing love.
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Oops. that was off topic.
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If your mom said it it must be true. However, we are talking about babies. Are you a stupid looking 9 month old? Tell us about it!
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my mom always subtly tells me i'm getting fat and need to take better care of myself before i end up like my dad's fat sisters.
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I know, I was off topic. I was working out my own resentment and issues. Sorry.
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My grandmother can drop some truth bombs about weight.
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Even ugly bbays need love.
I've seen bbay pictures of me & I wasn't a cutie. I was chubby and weird looking.
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Stu, that's a cute baby. I saw one little girl at the hospital that looked like Benicio Del Toro.
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"Stupid babies need the most love." - Chief Wiggum
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The solution is clear, you must all post photos of your bbays that they may be judged as uggos or cuties.
Hot or Not: The Baby Edition
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Yes, lil uggos need love, too. Everybody needs love. But that's not the question. You know you're diaper was on the wrong end, j_j, but did your parents?
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yeah, i think you are hardwired to think your kid is adorable. although, must kids simply are adorable. espeically mine:
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As the picture attests to, she fronts a brain-melting psyche-rock band.
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That's my bbay up there. Hot or not?
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Stu's kid looks OK. CoF's looks like it's trying too hard.
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Alright alright I wasn't THAT ugly. Just...weird....looking.
My folks reserve all the cute remarks for my sister's baby book 'cause she was a beautiful baby. Most of my photos are of my face covered in food, which I'm sure is the reason I have any baby pictures at all.
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meatpit. posted this on Dec 04th, 2009 at 04:12:42 pm
my mom always subtly tells me i'm getting fat and need to take better care of myself before i end up like my dad's fat sisters.
:( between that and the extreme conservatism, can you ever catch a break? haha.
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Seriously.
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It's the Christmas thongs that would have had me disowning meatpits family
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How many fucking threads do you assholes have to talk about your family issues? Read the first post again and ask yourself "Do I have something to share that is relevant to the conversation?"
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You guys are making VS all butthurt.
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MRMB: Navel gazing is the rule.
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i'm going to keep this thread off track even more by posting this: this is me as a bbay, HOT OR NOT?
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COF those pics are cute! how old is she?
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OOOH! I wanna play. hold on....
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^THAT'S ME! HOT OR NOT?
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cripes. there's about 2 people on here who actually have a child?
my child was ABSOLUTLEY ADORABLE AND STILL IS, btw, and I was NOT CUTE I had a forehead like a bloated kidney bean and and a fat square head and still do so there is hope for all of you
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Vert/Stu/Nicks/Jason/Pee Yay/srobot/quagmire/Christofire/Parsleys/whoever I missed, Imma stop you because your bbays are cute and all but BbayLarge is the cutest bbay in the fucking universe. Imma not even gonna post pics.
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nom nom,
Lil' Christ O Fire ist 20 months of cuteness
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As the father of 3, I can attest to the fact that children tend to morph, sometimes on a daily basis. I know that my middle spawn, who's now 4, went through periods where she looked like a baby orangutan that had been punched, hard, directly in the face. So ugly you had to laugh.
She's fine now, and quite adorable. Guess she outran the ugly.
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Is Chance allowed to post here if he's not sure if he has kids or not?
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Jesus, how many people on here have kids? When I joined the board 4 years ago it was like N!CKS and Boris.
And maybe J Low.
Ooh, and Sonicfreak has kids, too.
Holy shit we're in like doublt digits here.
UNHIP.
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www.lookatthatfuckinghipsterbaby.com
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hahahaha
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I still have a kid. She's all 8 years old now.
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i typed that in hoping it was a real site :(
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me too
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ON IT.
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It's hormonal or something. You just love looking at your kid, you aren't really applying any objective or even relative measure. When looking at other babies, maybe.
(stu, you foxed that Simpsons quote up something terrible.)
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This is kind of how I feel about Bitsy. And yes, I know that's sad.
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Nom and Jenna, Thanks for posting the ugly baby pics. Now squirt out some kids or get the fuck out.
Tonyb, You drop truth bombs like my son drops loads. Thank you.
Poppa, Chance can post in here because he looks like a giant hairy baby.
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Someone hot should let me have their child, it would be the most attractive baby ever. Then someone else can raise it. Thanks!
p.s. y'alls babies are pretty cute. I've only ever seen one baby who wasn't very cute.
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VS' kid is super cute. I wouldn't just say this. I find most babies repulsive to the eye.
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it's funny, because every 20 something says this about their friend's kids^
i'll probably say the same thing when my friends start having kids.
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tears is 40 though
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my kid looks like a monkey. probably because I am Australopithecus.
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ha! She totally looks like a monkey. I'm sure she'll turn out better looking than you, though.
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Parents are hormonally hardwired to think their children are beautiful. It's part of nature's plan to convince one to continue feeding their young.
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I have two kids. A boy who will be 12 in March but is already as tall as my wife, his voice has pretty much changed, he has acne and his feet smell. Yup, a teenager. My daughter will be four end of January. She is cute as a button and usually delightful but as all kids can sometimes be difficult and a handful. To answer the original question: I always though my kids were great looking and adorable though I've seen OTHER people's kids who are ugly as si as babies or whatever. Perhaps we are wired to think that about our kids.
So, what is the next issue we can talk about? How can I get my son to do his homework, do his chores, treat his siter nice, show his parents respect and wear long pants and a jacket when it is below 20 degrees outside? Oh yea, I forgot, he's pretty much a teenager now so that's a pipe dream!!!
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Did y'all know that kids are also genetically predisposed to look like their dads during their first years, so that their daddys don't kill them? True!
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Yikes, Hopefully my bbay will outgrow this quickly Knucks. I think as parents we always do the passive aggressive yet funny and un meaning to be snobbish: "that baby is cutel, but my baby is made of diamonds and angels breath and all things that are awesome, so because your baby can't live up to the awesomeness that is my baby, cute or not, my baby makes your baby look ugly! But compared to other babies, yes your baby is beautiful." or to shorten it "Bobs baby is soooo cute, well not as cute as our baby, but verrrrryy cute."
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BbayLarge don't look like me. She does look like my material grandma, or did when we compared bbay pictures. But I liked grandma a lot, so there you go.
Real Deal, you're right, people would be better off if they stopped acting like snobs and just admitted that BbayLarge is the cutest baby alive.
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BBAY LARGE IS TALKIN' 'BOUT AFRICA
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MADBALL.
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Then yer bbay would be a a sequel, becuz my bbay is da best and cutest eva! Dont get me wrong your baby is....SEE!!!!!
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real deal: I quit looking EXACTLY like my dad at about age 4, then turned into my mom.
Kira looks like both of you. Only the good parts.
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Man, MamaL knows all these fucking dope places to take kids and shit, I think we should have an MRMB parents' day have not a shred of dignity left.
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uh. same dad?
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well i guess that copying link location from facebook doesn't work.
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WHOA fat baby
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In that photo of him at Extreme Noise, he looks like a chubby baby version of Don Knotts. It's wonderful.
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I'm not reading a whole lotta tough love in this thread.
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once we all start posting pictures of our beautiful children it's hard to stay "tough"
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ya'll have nice little ones. I wanna make a baby someday.
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Dannypaws, they are mostly carbon. Just light something on fire. You'll get pretty close.
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That's probably a safer idea. Those things turn into adults anyway, which is weird. Any grandparents on the board?
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NOT THAT I KNOW OF
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That's twice in this thread where people have suggested that fat does not equal cute, what the hell. Fat babies are the fucking cutest!! EEEE that P photo- I want hug it!
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Vanessa posted this on Dec 05th, 2009 at 09:27:08 pm
That's twice in this thread where people have suggested that fat does not equal cute, what the hell. Fat babies are the fucking cutest!! EEEE that P photo- I want hug it!
I was just kinda getting a complex about it when P was a baby. He was off the charts weight-wise and the doc went on at length about it, at checkups nurses would point and shout things like "hey Madge, get a load of this HUGE baby!" People would point in public and make remarks. But the only part I really minded was having to regularly clean out the breast milk neck cheese from all of his fat rolls.
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Matthias and his cousin Sara lived together for three years when Matt was one on, as my sis was going to St. Cate's. They both chinked out big time at one point. Even then, cute!!
The only time I ever had a prob with Matt's looks is when he first started going with this buzz cut, but I've adjusted. He just got sick of dealing with his hair. Grows so fast. Used to dye it all the time and even had a double mohawk in junior high.
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King_of_Mammals posted this on Dec 05th, 2009 at 08:18:35 pm
I'm not reading a whole lotta tough love in this thread.
Yeah, with the exception of Tonyb keeping it real with his part time uggo and Trailerdiva hating the Chinese, this thread is a total failure.
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where do I hate the Chinese? I guess I'm not getting the joke.
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They both chinked out big time at one point.
I'm not holding it against you or anything. I find them rather creepy myself.
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Vertical Suplex posted this on Dec 04th, 2009 at 04:14:25 pm
Stu, that's a cute baby. I saw one little girl at the hospital that looked like Benicio Del Toro.
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hahhaha. "chinked out". we know what you meant... maybe.
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chunked out, duh
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Plus, fuck the fuckin' chinks
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hahahahahahahaha this thread has taken a rather delicious detour.
i approve.
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^loved your nephew in Street Fighter II
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dawgmask, is that Noah.P?
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clean out the breast milk neck cheese
Sweet jesus I wish I hadn't read this while I was eating lunch ewwwwww
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yeah that REALLY freaked me out too. these are the things about parenting that i'd rather find out when it's too late.
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I dunno Danny... I thought it was a baby that looked like Benicio Del Toro. It's name is Chippy I believe, but maybe Noah P. is the daddy?
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"barren stinkhole" is still killing me btw
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vanessa's right. and sharyn, those fat baby pics are so cute. love a fat baby.
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I keep wanting this thread to be about that VH1 show "Tough Love".
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I'm having kind of a bad week, so I'm going to post another picture of my cute baby for no other reason than it makes me happy.
<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O6PAh7lClSU/Sx7oqEYc_3I/AAAAAAAAACo/aiJjMrNoN70/s1600-h/AlexSchoolPhoto.jpg"?
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Posting photos that are hosted on Blogger doesn't work. I think.
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I guess it only works to post the small ones---the ones that are in the blog post---not the actual hosted page.
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magma90210 posted this on Dec 07th, 2009 at 12:16:59 pm
^loved your nephew in Street Fighter II
hahahahaha
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How do you punish your babe when they are so cute?
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Be withholding.
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Passive aggression.
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Shocking violence.
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do they make shocking violent collars? and where can i get one?
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There are those "invisible fencing" dog collar dealies.
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Teething at a little over 3 months? Is this possible?
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TEETHING: it's a lifestyle, not an event.
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isn't there some mommy-life msgboard to find that junk out?
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Some bbays are born with teeth.
Doctors recommend these children be thrown in a river or burned.
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DrNoonianVanFalk posted this on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:55:27 pm
Some bbays are born with teeth.
Doctors recommend these children be thrown in a river
yup. and that is where mermaids come from.
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the baby that was born a month after Mr. Nate had teeth when he was 2 months... he now has 6 teeth and he is only 7 months... its really creepy.
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i'm not a parent, but i'm a much older sister, and i gotta know, is it normal for a five year old to say, all the time, that he hates his life and it's never going to get better? he still seems to be interested in things, he doesn't sleep too much, he has a normal appetite, but he freaks out over nothing and is constantly saying things like "my life is boring and it will still be boring, even when i'm a grownup," or "i don't care if i die." is he just looking for attention? NOBODY TELL MY MOM I AM ASKING YOU THIS, my family insists upon repression and appearing normal and sane, my mother in particular. my brother not so much. he should go to a child psych, right????
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yeah that sounds pretty bad IMO
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BBAY PROZACS.
I think I read an article in the NY Times or something about how we're starting to learn more and more about depression as it's been acknowledged as a disease, and doctors are realizing it can occur in 5-6 year olds.
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If my kid said this, it would be conference time with the teacher and the school shrink (do schools have shrinks?)
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i don't think preschools have shrinks, and this doesn't look like childhood depression (at least not as it's understood now, i'm sure we don't know much about depression that young- or at all, for that matter), but i still think she should take him to a psych at least to find out if she should be worried. but she's all new agey and shit so she refuses. can five year olds take st johns wort? she'd probably at least go for that.
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jeez no.
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Brad, your bro needs to see someone ASAP. I was a lot like your brother at the same age and yes, little kids can get depressed. I didn't want to die per se, I just didn't want to exist anymore.
Mom took me to a psychologist real fast and it felt good to be able to tell someone about my 6 and 7 year old problems. Mostly we played Sorry and drew pictures. Mom wasn't ever in the room with me but I don't know how much or how little she got filled in on what we talked about.
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brad maybe he is an artist. or take him to Camp Snoopy.
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babies waking up in the middle of the night crying
....... do YOU let them "cry it out"????
I am anti this "crying it out" business...Will this turn my baby into a mamas boy? (this is the angle I am working)
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I'm not a parent, but I would imagine if all the kid's immediate needs are met- feeding, diaper changing, is it warm enough, not sick, comfortable, etc. I would let a baby cry for like ten minutes, then check on it. But let it cry unchecked, no.
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PS
jasonlee's bbay looks like a baby angel, aww!
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I don't have kids. But my parents swear that the cry it out business worked on my brother and me.
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I don't have kids but I have been managing teenagers for like, 10 years. Something that is troubling me about "kids these days" is that they have no phone manners. I blame texting and caller ID. Parents, please don't let your babies grow up to be jerks.
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thunderpussy, crying it out is really overrated, especially for the first few months. A parent needs to build a relationship of turst with their child. You <u>cannot</i> spoil a bbay. For one thing, their stomachs are tiny, so they eat and poop a lot, meaning they get hungry a lot.
However, if this is about trying to get the bbay to fall asleep and bbay cries ten minutes after being put to bed, take Vanessa's advice and give it 10-15 minutes. Look at the clock and time it, because bbay crying time seems a lot longer than regular time and a few minutes of crying can feel like ten minutes. You do have to teach bbay that they can fall asleep without mom or dad there.
And here's a few more pics of l'il miss stu just to reinforce the fact that she is the cutest bbay in the land.
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This is when she goes into turtle mode and pulls her head in.
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Vanessa posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 11:41:48 am
I'm not a parent, but I would imagine if all the kid's immediate needs are met- feeding, diaper changing, is it warm enough, not sick, comfortable, etc. I would let a baby cry for like ten minutes, then check on it. But let it cry unchecked, no.
Van hit the nail on the head. This is the 'recommended' way to deal with crying out by Public Health nurses. Worked like a charm for our nearly 4 year old. Now if she cries out during the night we check on her right away because it is usually something serious like a pile of puke.
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There was a short article in this years NYT Sunday Magazine Year In Ideas issue about infant sleep, on this page: Infant sleep is destiny
"Attention, anxious parents with sleepless newborns: It's even worse than you think! You already know that a baby with poor sleep habits means misery for you and doesn't seem like much fun for him or her. But this year, evidence emerged that those sleepless nights may also be a sign of bigger troubles to come. According to a new study, erratic sleep patterns in the first 18 months of life correlate at age 2 with reduced "executive functioning" — the term psychologists use to refer to the ability to focus your thoughts, control your impulses and avoid distractions. And executive-function abilities in childhood, recent research has determined, predict future success in school and in life."
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In all total seriousness:
"Crying it out" meaning leaving a bbay unattended and unchecked on fucking blows. There are tons of doofy hippie arguments against it and I'm not going to recite any of them. I mean, I get that some folks don't do it the way I do and that's cool. For me it's pretty common sense. I don't expect everyone to agree and I ain't judging those who chose different.
We waited over a year to sleep train and then, we spent a ton of time planning and preparing (like weeks), telling the kid exactly what was going to happen, so on and so forth, and the first night checked on her (didn't pick her up) in very short intervals, like a minute, then 3 minutes, then 5 minutes. The first night sucked ass and it took her a while to fall asleep. By the fourth night, gradually increasing the intervals, she was asleep within 7 minutes and sleeping through the night piece of cake.
No matter how miserable I was for a year of waking up all the time, I am glad we waited, and I'm glad we were really thoughtful about it. We read a ton of books, including ones MamaL didn't want to touch and a couple that I wanted to set on fire for being idiotically hippie-dippy and not proposing any solutions, and in the end I think we did it right at the right time. For us, anyway.
TP, if you wanna holler at me, I'll give you our full rundown.
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during the time I spent as the director of an early childhood ctr, one of the preschoolers threatened suicide, telling other kids he was going to do this. He actually did try to harm himself at home, I recall.
There are generally social workers at, or connected to, the public schools and HeadStart. If the child is in a private situation (as most preschoolers are), start with a pediatrician's referral. I'm a great believer in Play Therapy, giving the kid an adult psychologist to talk to who is trustworthy and trained to deal with these situations and not prone to try to stick the kid on drugs before even talking to them (my opinion of today's shrinks).
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Every parent should read "Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child."
Or, in my case, have their wife read it.
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Knucks I'm pretty sure the board has decided that correlative evidence is bullshit, right?
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I'm an HTML doof. Rather than continue to post pics of my bbay, like some obnoxious twit, you may copy and paste into your address bar if you like.
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Standing as two examples to the contrary: shane shiner, who slept TERRIBLY, and I, who (from all reports) had textbook "desirable" sleeping habits as a baby.
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The board decides a lot of things.
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Stu's baby is also adorable.
Man, this still doesn't make me wanna have babies, but if you need a babysitter you can probably hit me up if your baby is cute enough. I will not let it lie there and cry.
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stu this is what i am thinking ... they dont get why your ignoring them..... from all the research i am finding... letting babies cry it out is more harmful... they feel defeated and give up...
i dont want to ruin him but i also dont want him to turn into a needy child that cries at everything (because thats how i was. my mom let me cry it out) maybe we should do a MRMB study...whose parents let them cry it out and whose parents didnt and how did you turn out in childhood? I was a huge crybaby and i still am.
I cant see your photos either
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Well, in the case of that article, it's misunderstanding the original study and doing it in a pretty shitty way. The researchers were identifying one particular issue re: infant sleep and how it may or may not affect development. The writer then implies that any sleep issue falls under the umbrella of the study and will therefore result in your kid being stupid when that's not the case.
Lame.
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We let Lil' Low cry it out at roughly a year. It took one night, maybe two. Three years later, she still cries at night/gets in our bed plenty, but can go to bed by herself (with appropriate stories, cuddling, lullaby, etc.). She is in no way, shape or form "defeated" - you would be hard pressed to find a more confident four year old (sometimes aggravatingly so).
This is what worked for us. I won't presume it works for everybody, but we didn't want to be the family still sitting in her room for hours every night to get her to sleep when she's in preschool...
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thunderpussy, how old is your kid, and what is a typical night like for them and you?
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a li'l deesh helps me get to sleep.
just sayin'.
it's never too young.
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I also think that the phrase "cry it out" gets used in reference to a lot of methods, including interval methods, and there's a big difference.
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woah stu. your bbay floats?
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the suplex family xmas card was unbelievably awesome
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Did it say "Thanks for swearing at my kid, Mags!"
'Cause MINE DID.
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He just turned 9 months...I can get him to fall asleep by singing, talking, rocking, reading.. Each night it seems to take longer. At times he will scream after i leave the room. other times he falls asleep right away. He wakes up screaming about 3am (he is breastfed so we cant expect him to go all night without eating) after he eats he falls asleep. he will wake up about an hour later wanting to play (this just started)
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Does he eat any solid foods yet?
Our bbay is just over four months, but we are going to begin to experiment with solid foods in the next few weeks. She had been sleeping through the night since she was 2 months old (yes, we are very lucky), but has been waking up hungry at 3am quite a bit lately.
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She is also breast feed or bottle fed with breast milk.
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Thunderpussy:
"Screaming" or "crying?"
If screaming, does he spit up a lot? You may be looking at a reflux issue.
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PoppaLarge posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 12:32:27 pm
Did it say "Thanks for swearing at my kid, Mags!"
'Cause MINE DID.
man you KNOW I FELT BAD!!! and i wasn't swearing AT your kid, I was swearing at Brian Robeson!!!!!!!
and i am still sorry for introducing the phrase "dumb motherfucker" to your child.
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Kids have to learn somewhere.
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My friend's third bbay sleeps very little at night and doesn't take naps. She is at wit's end.
Poppa, is what you guys did also called "Ferberizing"?
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crying very loudly . he eats solids and he had reflux when he was newborn. could it be back?
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why havent you introduced phrases like that to our child, magma? I'm a little jealous.
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pitpat we did that with our dogs on the 4th of july, I didnt know it was Ok for babies.
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my daughter, who won't be two until march, told me to "fuck off" the other day. i ignored it and she continued to say it over and over again, slower, and with better enunciation each time, "fuck off, daddy. FUCK. OFF. DADDY." as if she knew I should be reacting strongly and figured maybe I couldn't make out what she was saying. i had no idea magma was sneaking into our home and teaching her such things.
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My son had a truly dreadful few months of colic when he was an infant, but it usually struck between 5pm-7pm every night and he'd still sleep like a little rock. I've always been lucky with him sleeping through the night and rarely complaining about going to bed. We did co-sleep the first year and a half though. But then I weaned him and decided it was time for him to move to his own room. It was a pretty smooth transition thankfully. If he did fuss and whine I remember letting him cry for about 10 minutes before checking on him to see if he was all right. Most often he was looking for some attention but it didn't take long for him to adjust. The boy has always liked a good night's sleep, especially after he gave up his daytime naps. Now he's in pre-teen mode though, so it's getting harder to wake him up on school days. But over break he was sleeping in until 9 or 10am and it was bliss.
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Haha:
1) Mags, you know that I'm kidding, and you also know that you're never living it down.
2) Emily, at its simplest definition, yes. We incorporated some other stuff as well and changed some things about Ferber we didn't dig on. Ferber is sort of the dirty word with people who hate the idea of "cry it out" but Ferber himself says that "cry it out" is bad and disassociates his interval method from "crying it out." Still, I am sure there's people out there who would think we were terrible parents for even opening the Ferber book, as well as people who think we're crazy for waiting a year and thinking so damn hard about it. Shit is wicked relative, yo.
3) TP--If you got past reflux, I don't think so. Just thinking out loud here.
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Shane ferberized us.
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Parents who co-sleep: Do you actually go to bed at 7pm with the kid? I don't really understand how co-sleeping works. L'il miss stu has been in the crib since the first night.
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i wondered that also stu.
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stu posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 01:12:21 pm
Parents who co-sleep: Do you actually go to bed at 7pm with the kid? I don't really understand how co-sleeping works
Not quite that early but yeah, like 8:30ish. I freely admit working full-time while single parenting an infant KICKED MY ASS. So I probably was ready to drop by 7pm every night. It got better as he got older, of course.
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How did your kid nap during the day, sharyn?
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He was a pro power napper. Did the gradual lessening of the napping as he aged, down from two naps a day to one to none. When he ditched napping altogether I think I needed it more than he did. But he slept even better at night after giving up all naps.
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Stu:
I don't even remember back that far at this point. I think we had a little co-sleeper thing next to the bed that she slept in.
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Yeah, I get that a lot of co-sleeping parents have the bed that, for lack of a better word, attaches to the parents bed. I just wondered if the parents actually went to bed at the same time as the bbays. But maybe I am assuming that the main reason for co-sleeping is to help the bbay fall asleep. Maybe it's a lot more about building a bond.
I should just ask my in-laws. They co-sleep with the youngest kid, he's going to be three in February. All the positive benefits aside, I wouldn't be able to stand co-sleeping. L'il miss stu is kind of a loud sleeper and is always moving around.
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stu posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 01:35:32 pm
Maybe it's a lot more about building a bond.
That was definitely part of it, for me, since I had to go back to work full-time when he was about four months old. But it was also much less of a disruption to feed and change him in the night since he was right there, next to me. I could take care of things and then we'd both get right back to sleep.
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i like the idea of co-sleeping but how do you "do it" with your child snoozing right next to you? do you even "do it" anymore after having a baby? what do all the magazines say?
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it's important for babies to see people 'do it'.
not just their parents; anyone.
otherwise, how else will they learn about the birds and bees?
from some toilet-mouthed kid on the playground?
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Probably from mags
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thunderpussy posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 02:06:19 pm
i like the idea of co-sleeping but how do you "do it" with your child snoozing right next to you? do you even "do it" anymore after having a baby? what do all the magazines say?
Ha! It was so not an issue with me and the whole single parenting thing. I don't know how couples pull that off.
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Start having sex elsewhere. Floor, couch, kitchen, etc. Anyway, from what I hear, at least with women, is your body isn't yours anymore, it's your baby's.
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hahahaha, knucks
mags all cornering the bbay, all "lemme tell you about DP and ATM, kid".
that dude is FILTHY.
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man you say motherfucker in front of one toddler and suddenly everyone acts like you are zombie redd foxx and don rickles double-teaming a chick with tourettes
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Don't get me started on bedsharing. (which I realize is different than co-sleeping.) Don't. Get. Me. Started.
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I'm ignorant. How is co-sleeping different from bed sharing?
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magma90210 posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 02:18:01 pm
man you say motherfucker in front of one toddler and suddenly everyone acts like you are zombie redd foxx and don rickles double-teaming a chick with tourettes
Hahahahaha!
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stu: co-sleeping= sleeping in the same room with the kid but different beds, like a bassinette, crib or one of those beds that attaches to the side of the bed. Bedsharing= baby in bed with parents and/or siblings.
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Nasty part of the even nastier rubric Attachment Parenting.
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man im always accidentally dropping the f bomb around kids. they make me want swear more.
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meeeeeeeeeeeeeee too rayna. and same here
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The question here is do you think your kid is less cute now, due to the sleep situation
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no way .. i just dress him in cuter P.J.'s
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boris parsley posted this on Jan 04th, 2010 at 03:00:39 pm
Nasty part of the even nastier rubric Attachment Parenting.
Some people I know (who incidentally have the most placid baby I've ever seen) are advocates of this. What's the nasty?
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I don't know, long about age 5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12
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AP would be one of those situations where it just takes one obnoxious, bossy hippie to give it a bad name.
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obnoxious, bossy hippie
If only this were an oxymoron. WTF?
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"You are clearly not as good at raising a precious snowflake as I am."
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makeitgofaster, I think what Poppa and boris are trying to say is that it's not so much the idea of attachment parenting that is nasty, it's the people whose kids have never heard the word "no", are still breastfeeding in kindergarten and sleeping with the parents until they're in high school, under the guise of "attachment parenting". These also tend to be the people who love to tell other parents "you're doing it wrong." Obviously this does not apply to every person subscribing to attachment parenting, just as everyone who Ferberizes their kid or has them sleep in their own room from infancy is not a cold, detached parent.
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Em, I would say that there's a few sweeping generalizations there, but yes. Sort of like this board is all know-it-all hipper-than-thou record collecting noise obscurists.
Seriously, though, tons of good, reasonable ideas. What Stu said about building trust is an attachment parenting philosophy. Unreasonable people can wreck anything from parenting to MN Congressional District 6.
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Absolutely.
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My wife's cousin-in-law was still breastfeeding the kids at 4 or 5. She said they'd walk up to her, lift up her shirt and just go to town.
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On the other hand, I know people who think you shouldn't breastfeed your kid after 6 months or something, which is ridiculous.
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i love the people who tell me i am doing it wrong.. they are usually babyboomers. kids are grown and hate them or addicted to meth. They are also the people who tell me to "let him cry" or tell me he should be eating steak by now. they are also grossed out by breastfeeding. I tried to reason with one of them once by telling him we were mammals and our bodies produce the perfect source of nutrition for babies, but he refused to believe we are mammals.
i always get, "we didnt have those things when we were raising babies and our kids turned out fine"
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Our bby sleeps in bed with us. He is 7 weeks old. I really like that u can't spoil a baby. The game is stop him from crying. Diaper? Hungry? Bubble? Or just bored? Not sure when we are going to venture to the crib....our current apt doesn't get enough heat to our room to put him in the crib yet. we move out at the end of the month though.... poss to ne. Yay for leaving fucking uptown with our short strip mall on 28th and lyndale that has a subway and a place called "coffee" next to it....
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I wonder about how people treat their kids as instruments of their own ego fulfillment. Y'know - "just cause I hated hockey practice doesn't mean my kid should have to suck at hockey." Is this unavoidable? How bad about this should I feel? I was raised Catholic, and I just want to make sure I'm going to feel guilty enough about fucking up my hypothetical children.
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On the other hand, you can worry so much about it that you don't push your kids to do anything. We're trying to provide Lil' Low with the support to engage in activities that she's really interested in doing without being pushy about it. But we do want her to be serious (as serious as a 4yo can be, anyhow) about what she's doing.
The diciest thing to me is that we've decided to apply for Chinese-immersion kindergarten next year. We think she'll love it and do well, but she sure hasn't been walking around the house saying "I'd really like to learn Chinese."
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That's pretty cool. Is that the place up at Hamline and Pierce Butler?
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Also, seeing as how Em and I will always be kidless, if y'all want any of yr shorties to have a totally hip uncle and auntie our services are available for a price.
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"services"
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Any MRMB parents have kids music suggestions? L'il ms. stu LOVES music and her parents singing to her. I'm looking for singalong stuff that doesn't make me want to puke. Am I asking too much?
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beatles?
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Yeah, i gotta go with TP here, the only difference between some asshole boomer telling me how to parent all "conservatively" and some fuckbag hippie telling me that strollers are evil is that one method is seen as "weird" and the other as "the American way" by the same folks who honestly think they didn't completely fuck this country up.
Hey Coach, if BbayLarge needs a short-notice after-bedtime sitter Friday night while I'm at the Turf, I expect you to be on call in case MamaL gotta go deliver a bbay.
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Some thoughts here. Soundtracks from kid movies have also been good bets - she got "Wizard of Oz" for the holidays and listens to it 4 and 5 times a day.
The school we're appying for is called Xin Xing Academy and it's at Eisenhower elementary in Hopkins (our district).
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Studies say that kids, especially infants, LOVE reggae. BbayLarge sure does. BbayLarge pretty much listens to whatever I listen to but I tend to skip the d-beat with her.
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yeah, the beatles are great for sing-alongs, also beach boys, motown i used to sing "I can't Help Myself" to the wee lil' deity of fire, also "Only You"
she also has the Kimya Dawson "Alphabutt" CD and she sings those songs all the time.
she's always dug hip-hop the most though, soon as Biz Markie entered her life, girl was dancing like 1999 was some bullshit.
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I sing nonsense to Judah all the time and he loves it
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Yeah, we had Ying Hua academy over here in St. Paul, then it was converted into the ominously named "College Prep Elementary"; something about the branding just screams bad school management.
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PoppaLarge posted this on Jan 05th, 2010 at 10:23:52 am
Studies say that kids, especially infants, LOVE reggae. BbayLarge sure does. BbayLarge pretty much listens to whatever I listen to but I tend to skip the d-beat with her.
i remember seeing some zonked out interview with keith richards in jamaica at his house there - where i SHITYOUNOT, the man actually lodged and paid for a full time reggae band on his compound just in case he wanted to jam with them - but anyway keith said that reggae is the most soothing music because the BPMs of classic reggae are usually in the 80s, like so it's closest to the human heart beat you hear in the womb.
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BbayLarge LOVES "Hey Ya" but not the Supersuckers covering it. She also loves "Hey Good Lookin'" by Hank Senior.
I had to have some time to accept it, but now understand that Kimya Dawson is just a cross parents of my age have to bear. I think of Savage Clone shuddering in darksider agony every time I hear it.
J-Lee, I have been making up doffy songs with BbayLarge since jump and now at age two she makes up songs like crazy.
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ug supersuckers is dang near abusive IMO, what's next social distortion?
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Mr. Nate loves The Best Show on WFMU The Best Show on WFMU and Bonnie Prince Billy but that was a given
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Mags: You're right, could I get a dub remix of you hurling obscenities nilly-willy instead?
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L'il ms. stu has shown an affinity for twangy country music.
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RAFFI!
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PoppaLarge posted this on Jan 05th, 2010 at 08:03:20 am
Em, I would say that there's a few sweeping generalizations there, but yes.
Oh, also, what I meant is people do all kinds of extreme shit and try to call it "attachment parenting" or some such label.
Naturally, as with all things, the extremes are lousy.
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thunderpussy posted this on Jan 05th, 2010 at 09:29:09 am
i always get, "we didnt have those things when we were raising babies and our kids turned out fine"
"Oh, you mean back in the days when people had eight kids because one or two would be expected to die of infectious disease or accident befor the age of 5? Or back when there was no such thing as 'child abuse'? You mean THOSE days?"
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I also think its TOTALLY INSANE
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...how polarizing breastfeeding is. MYOB, srsly.
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well in all fairness i walk around shirtless with milk squarting out all over the place.
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hahahah! sprinker!
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A friend of mine recently posted about her pediatrician saying that he didn't support breast feeding after a year and she, not so jokingly, declared that she deserved a medal for breast feeding for a year. Granted, I don't agree with the doctor, but the melee of comments that followed were depressing. All of her friends did want to give her a medal and barely stopped short of calling for a public stoning of the pediatrician. There were a lot of "how can a male doctor even presume to have a theory on motherhood" kinds of comments.
Breast feeding IS polarizing and I think it's pretty stupid. We intend to breast feed for a good long time and evaluate the need to continue it as time goes by. However, after just four and a half months, Ms. stu is producing as much milk as she used to. So plans might change. Which is okay.
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Your kid may well decide at some point that he's done with it, too. Once Lil' Low got her hands on solid food (six months or so), her interest in boob milk declined pretty rapidly.
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lots of things work to increase stu.. mines decreased about 4 months too... I started popping calcium and had enough milk to make white russians for steph boosh the last time she was in town. not to talk about your girls boobs or anything but you said she was a pumper right? some pumps ruin your milk supply. I have to switch off from two different types. these are just things that worked for me. i tried that mothers milk tea too and it made me barf 12 times. i dont know if this relates but it seems like when i eat fiber bars i get more. AND DRINK A BEER it really works.
I wish mr. nate was like that Jlow.. its a fight to get solids down. i had a temp decrease in BM (not bowel movement, breast milk) and we tried a soy based formula for a second and mr nate was not having that. what can i say, i make a quality product.
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I think I said this on here before, but at a family gathering once I was sneezing, and one of my cousins who was raised in a..."different"...household asked me if I was sick, and I said no, it's allergies. She asked me, "Oh, were you breastfed?"
Mind you she was maybe 10 years old, I was probably about 22. I said, "No, I wasn't, because I was supposed to have been given up for adoption so they gave my mom a drug to dry up her breast milk right after I was born." Her little sisters were right there, too...you should have seen their faces.
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"You're driving me BANANAS!"
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Hahahahaha the gay guys on "Modern Family" are talking about Ferberizing right now
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And they're doing it wrong
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stu posted this on Jan 05th, 2010 at 10:15:31 am
Any MRMB parents have kids music suggestions? L'il ms. stu LOVES music and her parents singing to her. I'm looking for singalong stuff that doesn't make me want to puke. Am I asking too much?
The Wiggles.
2nd Raffi - Baby Beluga
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Mr. Nate likes Lubricated Goat and Jock Jams 12.
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People say the kids' records by They Might Be Giants are pretty good.
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They Might Be Giants may very well have good kids albums, but if l'il ms. stu aver took a shine to that band I just may become a deadbeat dad and abandon my family.
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stu-
you're not the boss of me now.
life is unfair.
etc.
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To think I once considered you to be my son, pitpat.
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build a birdhouse in your soul, dude.
you'll feel better.
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I don't know what that means.
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consider yourself lucky.
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I gotta catch up on this thread. it has been awhile since i read it. I'll get to it soon and then answer all questions about naps and other issues.
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If numbers are right here there are 17 individual or couples who post here with children (at least by a rough count in this thread). Seriously? This board is officially LAME.
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too many or too few?
Many times I've been close to starting a "kids of the MRMB say the darnedest things" thread.
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Fuck, I just thought of 2 more. 19.
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i like being lame, finally. its hard work being cool.
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Dang it, sooner or later I'm gonna have to lose a bunch of weight, get married and then have bbays to fit in!!
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dont lose weight it just comes right back after you have the bbays., lesson leart.
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OK, so my eldest will be 12 in March and my youngest 4 the end of this month so some of the really baby things are fading into the past (no more diapers ever again!!) We co-slept with each of our kids for about the first six months and then moved em into a crib. It was mostly for convienience in feeding. We had a little thing (mini-crib? Bassinet?) that connected right to the side of the bed. Mrs. freak could just sort of roll over and feed the kid and not have to get up so that was the main thing. Often she or both of us were tired enough to go to bed when the kid did but the first six months sleeping schedules are not real normal anyway.
As far as doing "it", where there's a will there's a way! First month or so not much will but after that.... :-)
With our daughter we are really, really lucky. She goes to bed around 8:00 every night and sleeps until 7;00 most mornings, sometimes 8:00. And she *usually* takes a nap in the early or mid afternoon. Some naps can be three hours, some one, sometimes she will never fall asleep but she is good at entertaining herself and singing etc. so at least it's "down time" The two naps a day went away a long time ago but I hope the one sticks around at least another year or so. I think by age 5 our son was just about done with napping *sigh*
They grow up so darn quick. the boy is all big and as tall as Mrs. freak with a deep man voice. How did that happen????
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Bump. More than 1 parenting thread on MRMB? Unpossible.
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I cannot wait to contribute factually to this thread.
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The lack of parenting talk might be my favorite feature of the MRMB. Boring-ass shit.
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is that yr first hint at the big news on here, soapy? congrats btw dude!!!
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Are the Kittens having kittens?? Wow!
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Boris, I'm sorry that you and your children are boring.
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Uh yeah, so like uh...yeah. It's happening.
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Of all the MRMB offspring, yours is sure to be the most fuggo.
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Congratulations to you both.
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We gonna have troll bbays.
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PICK UP BART, PICK UP BART
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Boris is waiting for the MRMB GRANDparenting thread.
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Oh sweet jesus take it back
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congrats mr and mrs kittens!!!!
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hot dang, congrats!
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Reading all of the posts is stressful. Is there still such a thing as a "wet nurse?" I want one of those to deal with its real-life needs. Soapy and I can just play with it and take cute pictures... then HAND OFF!
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bump, why not have all the MRMB bbay and parenting threads up there.
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So I can maybe see parents having a right not to vaccinate their kids, and I'm all over the spread-them-out tip, but it turns out the law says a day care center can't require every kid it takes in to be vaccinated if the parents "conscientiously object."
Which means the daycare we're looking at right now has 3 unvaccinated kids. Hey, anti-vaccine parents, get your own daycare.
WTF.
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J Low
2/09/10 8:48 AM
Boris is waiting for the MRMB GRANDparenting thread.
I missed this the first time. And I'm just gonna wait........
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A Scarlett Letter for each of those disease bag kids, I say.
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<a href="http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp33%3A%3Enu%3D3263%3E966%3E979%3EWSNRCG%3D32336%3A8%3B6%3B63%3Anu0mrj">
holy shit, did J Low give birth to normal man?
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oh crap, I haven't even thought to ask that vaccine question when visiting day-cares. Brain 'splode.
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Okay, but if there is a bbay who isn't vaccinated, and it is sick- can it get your VACCINATED bbay sick? Isn't that the point of vaccines? Why would you have to worry? If the baby does get sick and it's vaccinated then what was the point of vaccinating in the first place? I must be child-stupid.
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Bbays don't start most of their immunizations until they're about a month, and they're not finished getting them until they're about one, so for the first several months they are vulnerable even if the parent intends to vaccinate.
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You don't get the MMR until you're around one.
Also...many adults lose their immunity (I lost my measles antibodies) and while rubella isn't that big of a deal for a kid to get, if they give it to a pregnant woman it can kill the fetus or give it major birth defects.
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Yeh, I wouldn't have a problem with a daycare for older kids allowing the unvaccinated. But if my tiny bbay gets fucking polio from one there will be consequences.
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For the record, Lil' Low is a girlbaby.
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You can't get polio anymore. wtf. can you?
I get that people wanna keep their kids safe but you can't like keep them in a plastic bubble.
Listen to This American Life's "Ruining It For The Rest Of Us" for a story about vaccines and babies. Ugh.
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Oh dip. Lil' Miss Soaps!
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Okay but in AMERICA where it is all about the CHILDREN, that's pretty doubtful. People will do whatever doctors tell them to, especially if a baby's involved. Proof that it is better to be an adult than a baby.
ANYWAY. Parents and parents-to-be, for the love of god, no:
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Okay but in AMERICA where it is all about the CHILDREN, that's pretty doubtful.
hahahahaha i sort of question this
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I would actually think the opposite - Americans are the most craziest about ditching vaccines and ignoring doctors, while a lot of other countries that actually have some of these horrible, preventable diseases are all "Medicine? Oh yes please thank you Jebus."
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What do I know, I'm not a doctor or a parent. Why are you listening to me anyway. Good luck with y'all germy kids. :)
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Vanessa
5/19/10 5:58 PM You can't get polio anymore. wtf. can you?
Polio is just a plane ride away. There are still cases in Africa, India, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to name a few.
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wtf soapy, thats lame :( so at what point does their conscientious objection to vaccines infringe on your rights to not have your bbay in an environment in which it is at risk of getting sick from an unvaccinated kid?
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Like at the point where the unvaccinated kid is unleashed on the public, I think.
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isn't a daycare "public", though?
also, is a daycare required to disclose if there are any unvaccinated kids that attend the daycare?
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Oh I thought you meant like theoretically.
I don't think they're required to disclose. As far as I can tell, the fact that a parent can opt out of the vaccination requirement was just intended to protect religious freedom, not to protect general parental autonomy, but the effect is the same.
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i would never send my kid to daycare with the amish. never ever.
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anti-vaccine people are fucking retards
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J Low
5/19/10 5:48 PM
For the record, Lil' Low is a girlbaby.
j_j
5/19/10 6:06 PM
Oh dip. Lil' Miss Soaps!
I obviously got that wrong...I should have said Lil' Miss Low! My bad.
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or is this an ashleymadison type thing???
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We don't know what Lil Soaps is yet. It could be a hermaphrodite. We will find out in one month!
We need daycare, people. Let's talk nanny shares or you friend who takes kids on the side... Help!
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Maphro Kittens.
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A nanny share might be a great option! My friend has a great nanny. I can ask around for you.
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Ms. K: I say again, our daycare lady works out of her home, is all around awesome, only have a couple kids, will take part-time and weird hours if needed (like it was today), and in a complete coincidence is related by marriage to a board member. It's practically a nanny share.
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Ms. K: I say again, our daycare lady works out of her home, is all around awesome, only have a couple kids, will take part-time and weird hours if needed (like it was today), and in a complete coincidence is related by marriage to a board member. It's practically a nanny share.
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Play it again, Sam.
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I have been the single mom of a chihuahua for some time now so I feel like I have something to say about this.
Ok back to serious lives.
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one thing to get prepared for as a parent is that you can look in the cupboard and get psyched cuz' "oh sweet! chocolate pudding!" but it's actually apples-prunes baby food. so like get ready for that shit.
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I actually want to start nannying seriously. I am posting my resume and stuff.
BTW, Poppa I know I haven't watched Kira for you, but at the moment Sharyn is my only reference who isn't a family member. Would you take it upon yourself to be a reference for me? I hope that isn't totally shady...
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nice you should watch Judah sometime! Alysha is gonna be in ny with Tyra all summer
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Oh yeah! I would love to! He seems like a major sweety. I'll PM ya.
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I don't know where you Kittenses live in St. Paul, but we use a Highland Park day care. PM me if you want some info.
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I was reading this thing in yesterday's WSJ that said parents should enroll their kid in day care at least a year before they know they'll need it.
Here's to hoping we find a nanny or a miracle at some day care soon. I'm on the list at the Y but that still puts me out till April '11
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We may be in the need of a nanny/daycare ofr a day+ a week now that I done got me a jorb.
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we just got our girl into an awesome bilingual school in south minneapolis. very excited about this. PM me if anyone is curious about such schools.
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ofr=for
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Mine will most likely got to Adams Immersion, since it is a stone's throw away.
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Lil' Low did get in to Xin Xing and we're really excited about it. We've convinced her that she is, too.
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j_j, the bad economy has meant that it is easier to find day cares with openings right now. You should still be looking asap, but a year is not true around here.
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