moved from '11 thread. spielman

Vikings 2012: Who gives a shit? Can't wait for the 2012 season to be over.

well, i would be happy about the Spielman thing except as of yesterday Bill fucking Polian is on the market. the football gods must hate me.

Blackmon was insane last night in the fiesta bowl. I'd take him or Claiborne

Polian is a BITCH and so's his bitch kid. So glad we didn't take that bum.

While not thrilled we didn't bring someone outside in, at LEAST this is a major step in the right direction. Blackmon is the real deal, I see that now, still want Kalil.

Wasn't the Allen trade a Spielman move? Wasn't he responsible for guys like AP and Percy?

coach
1/03/12 11:16 AM

Polian is a BITCH and so's his bitch kid. So glad we didn't take that bum.

you're dead to me.

the vikes haven't found depth in the later rounds though. it seems like that's where more stable, consistent teams set themselves apart. spielman doesn't get all the blame since there were 3 people technically selecting personnel, and part of that could be chalked up to bad scouting as well.

Dude drafted Manning and look what happened when he didn't have him playing? Wasn't prepared at all

seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? did he murder some babies or pull some pol pot shit that i somehow missed?

I'm not talking about his career but just with his tenure with the Colts. Anyone drafting manning would have looked brilliant for the past 14 years. Colts need a change and it sounds like irsay wants a fresh start when luck comes in

Kinda bummed that quarterback is still a huge question mark for us. Seems like that's always the case. Look at the Packers; even their backup is awesome

dwight freeney, robert mathis, bob sanders, reggie wayne, edgerrin james (both the drafting and ditching of him were brilliant), jeff saturday, Tony Dungy... all garbage without Manning.

Where were those star players this year? I know James and Sanders are gone but those other guys were just not to be found. I am not going to argue with you about Polian as we seem to agree Manning has had the greatest impact for the Colts

yes, after setting all kinds of nfl records for the most consistent success and stability in a franchise, everything went wrong this year. bill polian made things go right for 15 years in indy. after decades of pure success and being utterly peerless as an executive, claiming he's a bum because of one really bad year (the only remotely bad year on his record) is utterly ridiculously.

I didn't say he was a bum. That was coach...I just don't scream for him for being a MN G.M.

People will be upset that it isn't a sexy name like Cowher or Parcells.

you inferred such slander.

Polian thought he was an owner, and he learned yesterday that he isn't. So did his good-for-nothing progeny.

He has brought unprecedented success to the Colts in his tenure, but his style and demeanor makes Belichick look like Gruden. Moreover, the last three seasons it HAS been Manning carrying them, and every analyst/pundit/rube has pointed out how Indy has 3 superstars and the rest. No one can argue he has had some monumental success over the course of his career, I just think he's a piece of shit.

i'd have been happier if the colts traded manning for a ham sandwich than i am with cutting polian loose. i have no idea about the abilities of his son, but i can't think of anyone i'd rather have in charge of personnel for a team in such a terrible position. goddamn this sucks. worst football decision ever.

Word from ProFootballTalk.com is that Polian wanted Manning out this year and Irsay was like "no." I'm not debating whether it was a good move, just saying what I heard. I find it unbelievable that Polian is out and that bowl of oatmeal Caldwell still has a job.

Tom Powers on the Spielman move:

 "Coming off a disastrous season and facing an increasingly disillusioned fan base, Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf needed to make a bold statement. And on Tuesday, they did: 'We are idiots.'"

That is kind of...PERFECT.

On the Polian subject, I think if the quarterback is such an essential cog in the franchise's success then leaving the backup cupboard as bare as they did is a fireable offense. As good as Manning is, their options after him were thoroughly incompetent. They let Peyton run the franchise, essentially, and it bit them in the ass. Every good quarterback is a system quarterback, and if you're not bothering to either teach your backups the system or to find dudes who can handle it you're leaving yourself open to disaster.

Either Peyton was too big of an egomaniac to accept a viable backup or Polian was too stupid to get one. Both of those scenarios are unacceptable.

Pft reported yesterday Vincent Jackson will not slapped with franchise tag.

Go for it, spielman

yes!

Of all of the big name WRs he is the dude I want.

Twss

</i>Of all of the big name dicked WRs he is the dude I want.

Twss </i>

FYP

V Jax dick is prolly huge compared to D Jax

man didn't know so many ppl on the board wanted to resign shiancoe

he wants big buxxx and rudolph is showing enough promise that it's not worth it.

I am for letting shank walk unless he does a cheap deal

It's not like he doesn't have something big to fall back on if this football thing doesn't work out.

If they can keep Shianco at a reasonable price, I'd like to see them keep him. I think we need to fill up on TEs for run blocking, screens and such until Ponder or Webb get better at reading defenses and passing.

yeah, except shiancoe sucks at blocking.

It is not illegal to have more than one good pass-catching TE. I'm not a lawyer our anything...

this franchise can't afford to let a cock like that walk out the door

That cock is the biggest playmaker on the field

Zulgad reporting that Raheem Morris is interviewing with Vikings about a "high ranked" defensive position. Our new D coordinator?

YAY MORE COVER 2!!!

I don't hate Morris but man hopefully we go away from Tampa 2

I feel like tucker would be my choice of those 3...

Thanks RGIII!

Holy crap, did anyone see McNabb on espn after the Broncos game (i think that's when it was)? I was sure Ray Lewis would be the next best player-turned--analyst, but McNabb got out first.

13 years ago today

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McNabb and Fitzgerald will be decent TV guys!

Beard, My brother and I sat two rows behind those girls. I remember seeing it in the paper the next day and being all "those were the chicks balling like a buncha sad sacks and making us feel all awkward cuz we were blazed to the fucking nines."



OK, so a couple of things:

1) We need to realize, as a fan base, that we are not going to make a splash in free agency cuz nobody wants to come play for Loserville, USA with an unproven young QB, a head coach who has made some awful, awful coaching decisions and by the way is also 6-16 as well as a non-existent offensive line that couldn't give a four second pocket for a deep ball if their fucking life depended on it. Oh and the defense is a slow-motion abortion.

2) If we DO manage to woo a free agent, I think a huge prize would be Ben Grubbs (guard-Baltimore), Carl Nicks (guard-New Orleans), Paul Soliai (DT-Miami) or Brent Grimes (CB-Atlanta). If we got ONE of those dudes I'd be cool with that.

3) Ok, so, no one has been more on board with drafting Matt Kalil than me. No one. Like, since day one. And if they draft him, I'll be happy. HOWEVER, with people fucking freaking out over RGIII, I feel like there will still a bunch of dudes on the board that teams will totally fucking overreach for, like Blackmon or, well, Kalil. I'm kind of feeling if the stars align right maybe we trade down and build this team the right way, with draft picks and cheap labor. That said, I have zero faith in Frazier on any level, so I hope Spielman just shoves him aside and has the balls to do it the right way.

people have Blackmon going at #2 to STL which kind of boggles me. I think CLE or someone in the top 10 will trade for that spot to get the ultra hyped RGIII.

Kalil is what we need but I'd be into Claiborne as well...

Man, haven't listened yet but coach was about four Stellas deep and ORNERY. Fountain of Negativity, Loserville, USA...etc.

Arnt the Vikings in San Diego yet?

Smash Burger noises all around too

Chilly hired as Browns offensive coordinator.

FIRE CHILLY

Literally came here to post that. He might do OK just (maybe) calling the plays.

He's no Mike Tice.

I can't believe I mean that honestly.

Chire Filly!

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Carter snubbed again. Suggs beats out Allen for DPOY. Congrats to Chris Doleman

Anyone watching this award show? Funny that profootballtalk.com already released all of the winners.

Saw Cunningham sitting behind D-Jax

Suggs deserved it.
While Doleman is awesome, Carter should have gone this time.
That Allen is a masterpiece.

dude i would take Rg3 if rams dont, if not im totally cool with kahlil. Pick up a best available cb in the second round and marvin mcnutt in the third.

Hahahahahahahaha I so thought you were making fun of the draft with "Marvin Mcnutt" but holy SHIT that's a REAL DUDE. YES, draft him so I can buy the jersey.

Take kalil plz. Get Floyd 2nd round.

M

Don't poke at my McNutt!... he's an Iowa guy!

I'll take Floyd second round!

He's a great fit, all Notre Dame ex-teammate of Kyle Rudolph, all Cretin-Durham Hall Alum.

I won a Steve Hutchinson autographed ball several years ago and am contemplating giving it to the silent auction at school. Probably worth more without the autograph.

steckel and this were only terrible years

other must have been expansion

Don't really follow football, is this a bombshell or old news? Peyton Manning to be released tomorrow

Vikings should sign him!

that drawing j low posted above is mind blowing

I just read the Manning article. Seems like something the Vikings would do, go after a QB who is past his prime might have a season left in him who will always be haunted by an injury. I'm sure people are rushing to Winter Park trying to figure out how to make this happen.

Well at least it's never been a guy named Manning.

Manning won't come here. He'll want to play for someone who isn't totally rebuilding and that has a WR1. I could see him and Wayne being tied to the hip wherever they go. San Fransico make a good case for this as they had 3 WRs active for the playoffs and only Crabtree shows promise.

Boris lol, like father like son

Out of curiosity, was Archie Manning not in the same caliber as his kids, or did he just play on shitty teams?

both.

rams traded #2 pick to redskins. Kalil is ours.

Speaking of the Redskins, i'm still so pumped up over that victory of ours over them. That was so awesome

God I wish wee had the second pick, jeff fischer is back

I know it's an easy shot, but the Redskins, in Redskins fashion, just made a fucking colossal mistake. THREE first round picks AND a SECOND? What in the FUCK? RGIII will be great, I really like him, but that kind of trade not only buries a franchise but condemns RGIII because the rest of the team will suck. The Vikes need to lay low and just focus on the draft. Kalil at #3.

Yeah it's insane, I mean on a serious tip, I'm not sure there is any player currently in the league I would give up that much for, like maybe rogers but even that would push it

That's nuts! What the fuck? They will probably have a high pick in 2013 too, at least. And #6 alone is nothing to sneeze at.

Great for the vikings though!

Yeah, that's a hell of a deal for the Rams. #6 is still awesome and now they get TWO first round picks for two years in a row.

Almost Herschel-esque, i'd say

yes. he's the best non-QB in the draft and fills our biggest non-CB need

Ok, good. I was hoping there was only a limited chance we'd do something really stupid

the only possibility of us not drafting Kalil would be if we trade down. Now that RG3 is locked up, I don't expect us to get much added value. blackmon, etc just aren't worth it to any other teams.

Cool. I kinda wish we'd make a move on quarterback (would that Matt Flynn guy make any sense?) but it sounds like a no-go. Maybe i'm more down on Ponder than I should be. But he seems like the kind of guy who might, maybe, in a few years, be a mediocre quarterback that leads the team to 8-8 style seasons

we have too many other needs at other positions to even begin to think about a marginal upgrade at QB. this team is in full on rebuilding mode for 2-3 years now: our linebackers are old, our secondary is nonexistant, we have one good receiver, the list goes on. plus you just don't give up on a rookie after one season, especially one that began with a bare bones training camp, a horrid offensive line, etc. it's just way too soon to evaluate.

Hey man, now you're starting to bum me out. Go Vikes!

it's ok, not like we're in the toughest division in the nfl or anything

For the love of god call vincent Jackson on tues

Mumbles, WRs have a really shitty track record when picked in the top ten. You could say, "what about Calvin Johnson at #2?" but would be met with "What about Darius Heyward-Bay, Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn, Troy Williamson, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Braylon Edwards etc..."

Offensive tackles have a higher statistical rate of success and from my perspective, a #1 WR makes between 4-8 catches per game, blocks a little bit, and may return a kick or two. Kalil will be making roughly 60-70 plays (50% of the league average) a game. I say even though it's not sexy, you do the right thing and get Kalil.

ive been looking at some mock drafts and a few of them actually have us taking mcnutt, mcnutt would be a perfect compliment to percy, and if we could brab a burner like vjax in the off season our receiving corps is a legitimate threat again.

I think if Floyd is there 2nd rd and we don't get a WR in FA...grab him

i like stephen gilmore for 2nd round hes a solid cb and likely to still be on the board in a draft full of good cb's

Our receiving corps is not a threat if the QB has 3 seconds to throw before the pocket collapses.

House cleaning day. Vikes release Cedric Griffin, Hutch, and Herrera.

Spending $$$ for Nicks or big name WR?

sports.

It will be interesting to see how Charlie Johnson does at left guard.
I agree with all of the releases.
Totally on board with the moves Spielman has made so far. I really don't like Frazier being a part of this rebuilding project though, he's an embarrassment. I wish we would have gambled on a different coach, anybody, instead of of Frazier.
I just found out that Marques Colston had microfracture surgery on BOTH knees? I retract my earlier endorsement of him.

Think we go after Carl Nicks? Dude is done in NO

Does this make my autographed Hutch ball more or less valuable?

I heard Nicks has had some serious weight issues, I don't know if I can live through "McKinnie II: Son of McKinnie."

Vinny J is the one guy I want.
Hope we holler on Tuesday

I'd prefer Nicks to Vincent Jackson. O-line and secondary should be our priorities.

Jackson won't come here. Bears, Bucs, or Skins will pay his a$$.

Hutch is visiting Tennessee today btw.

Vincent jackson is like putting spinner rims on a 96 civic

So you mean AWESOME?

Ha ha yeah I'm not in favor, also 29

Jackson to Tampa Bay and I'm so, SO ok with that.

So, hey punks, let me ask you this. I understand that Washington is absolutely FUCKED given that they just had a $30 million cap penalty leveled against them meaning they have zero money left. They only way to stay under the cap is through the draft since the new collective bargaining agreement makes rookies cheap. That said, they won't have relevant draft picks for four years. And then, how in the FUCK did the Redskins sign Pierre Garcon yesterday??? This isn't sour grapes, I didn't want him on the Vikes, but goddamn what the fuck?

They not only signed Garcon, but they gave him 20 million guaranteed. I have no idea how they can pull that off. Mike Wallace would be fucking awesome, but we both know the odds of that happening are about one in a couple quadrillion.

I don't understand the "cap" at all. And not to get bitchy, but it makes me feel like the NFL is even closer than it already was to professional wrestling. Between teams not opening their books, a salary cap which is apparently just a pay to play line and teams requiring states to give up tax dollars to keep them through extortion I'm starting to kind of sour on football.

coach - what are you saying????!!!???

He's just down because the Vikes didn't sign anyone yesterday. He'll be back on the bandwagon, purple horns and all after the draft. Mark my words. He's an emotional roller coaster.

prince of tides

Especially when we sign this litchfield jabroni

I think Wallace would be more valuable than Jackson because of age.

RT: @AdamSchefter: Vikings reached agreement with former Seahawks tight end John Carslon on a five-year, $25 million deal.

yeah, three tight end sets! just what we needed, Spielman! you are a mastermind!

WTF is going on around here? 11 million guaranteed?

yeah the market is pretty nuts right now

fuck this move.

i dunno, what were we paying shank-dog? he's comparable maybe better

18.2 over 5 years.

A fucking tight end? How about doing something with our piece of shit linebackers? The secondary got hammered last year, and rightfully so, but I honestly think our linebackers were even worse.

no way are our linebackers worse than our secondary.

^^word, that's like not even possible

Just looked up our top four linebackers from last year. They had 5.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, one fumble recovery, and zero interceptions combined. That's TERRIBLE.

Linebackers get off easy because they aren't supposed to have the sacks or interceptions that the line and the secondary are. But, man, name a single game where they did jack shit. They were atrocious. Couldn't stop the run, couldn't defend the pass.

yeah greenway def had an off year but i'd take the chance he will snap back to form rather than spend $$ on a linebacker...plus who's even out there in FA?

Oh, I have no idea about free agency. I only have a great basketball mind.

For sure, our secondary was shit last year. I'm telling you, though, our linebackers were baaaaaad, but the secondary caught all the heat.

greenway went to the pro bowl last year so obviously he was awesome.

Steven Tulloch is out there. Solid, not that big of an upgrade.

To whomever was screaming about three TE sets, the Carlson move means Bbay Arm is gone. Carlson is no less talented them Schiancoe and is five years younger, and possibly a few million cheaper. A pretty decent move imo.

yeah i'm cool with it...

dallas just signed carr to a ridic $50M contract

this offseason is off the chain!

I can't believe how much money some guys are getting.

At this point I just hope for kalil and floyd

I'm totally cool with trading in Bbay's Arm for John Carlson Superstar. Carlson is younger and way more athletic, and two pimp TEs worked pretty well for the Patriots last year, and Harvin is like a way better Wes Welker, so I see what he's doing. I dig it.
But for real next year is all about Ponder so now use the draft for LT and the secondary and shit we'll be on our way.
Oh and that Washington signing Garcon with no cap room is really, REALLY pissing me off it's really souring me on football until I can get it explained.

I'm not sure where you got the idea Washington had "no" cap room. The cap penalty they're taking is spread over two years...

That must have been a pretty tight end to that particular drive

The list I saw had Washington at $4 million in cap room BEFORE the $36 million penalty imposed by the NFL. I totally get that it's over two years, but it's not like all of their contracts disappear at the end of the 2013 season. I can't imagine they'll be able to let go of $32 million in cap space next year. I know it's not a 1 to 1 ratio, but the math is lousy no matter what the particulars are.

So tight.


coach, this "kinda" explains it, though I'm not sure how they had "ample" cap room going into this year with their crazy spending. Perhaps being able to unload Tubogoo Haynesworth helped.

Weird I need to start writing down my sources. Redskins are garbage though, and I'm sad RGIII is going there. Although, it will be good for him, they're the 2nd largest market right?

Man, throwing out those dollar amounts like it's no big deal is really depressing. The economics of sports are thoroughly fucked (not that this is new information to anyone).

I think I'm gonna drop out and follow Current 93 around the world on tour for the next couple years.

Did someone open the books?

No franchise opens the books except the Packers because they have to. All player contract info is made public though, so people with that kind of patience can estimate salary cap numbers.

damn, didn't see that nicks went to the bucs. he commanded a hefty tag. that team is crazy.

coach
3/14/12 8:48 AM
Between teams not opening their books, a salary cap which is apparently just a pay to play line and teams requiring states to give up tax dollars to keep them through extortion I'm starting to kind of sour on football.

2 of these 3 concerns are ameliorated by one particular franchise. Guess. ;-)


shoulda been a pm.

Hahahahahahaha WORK IT SPIELMAN, YOU GO GIRL!

Vikings add defensive back from arena league

The Vikings signed a defensive back Friday, but it wasn't a normal case of free-agent activity.
The team announced that defensive back Nicholas Taylor, a 5-10 rookie from Florida International, had been added to the roster.
Taylor, 25, was a college basketball player at FIU from 2007 to 2010 and had been playing in a lower-tier arena football league before running 40-yard dashes at the school's pro day this month. The Vikings gave the 5-10, 165-pounder a workout Friday and signed him.

redskins actually signed griffin and meriweather? talk about the two most useless back in the nfc.

5-10 165 is fucking great for a DB if you're playing for my 3 state championships in 4 years high school football team.

Look, I just posted in this thread.

Welcome, Poppa "I didn't you played football pretty good but maybe you told me and I forgot" Large!

Hahaha Coach I want buffalo wings right now come over to my house and make that happen #shouldabeenaPM

LOL I could fucking HOUSE like 26 wings right now with bleu cheese holy shit #coughtogetoff

Heavy talk about taking Alshon Jeffrey in round two

Anyone seen tape on this young WR?

i've seen a bunch of tape on him. amazing potential but super inconsistent. lacks elite speed and quickness but has a big strong body with great ups and is outstanding at winning jump balls. if he maximizes his potential he could be a slightly slower calvin johnson.

I guess his value is down b/c of off the field funsies

I am sad. My team is so, so terwible.

I heard rumors we might take that CB with the first pick. That would be dumb, right? Meaning there's a good chance that will happen, right?

there is zero chance that happens

Teams & media float a ton of silly shit in the weeks before the draft. It's probably just best to concentrate on being mad about Howler until draft day.

Spielman is trying to get other teams thinking were interested in Blackmon or Claiborne for a trade bit.
SMH

kalil makes so much sense, but i can totally see how they would be tempted to take either blackmon or claiborne. Blackmon will look like shit if ponder is running for his life all seasom though.

groovylucifer cracking me up

blood mcnally hi

1929 hi

:(

My team spirit is renewed by the team's recent shittiness. I'm considering buying a jersey for the first time in my life. I don't want a current player, I don't think.

Any suggestions?

Joey "Steel Fingers" Browner.

how obscure possibly

Donald "Dope Ass" Igwebuike

lol

magma 90210 hi

browner is great choice but out of print

here are your options

post mid-70s you can police ebay

might find scott studwell, e.g., in ur size

mitchell & ness have paul kraus and alan page 1975 still

the best jersey manufacturer on earth is http://yesteryearsports.com/

get tark jim marshall bill brown carl eller or chuck foreman

i have 1963 tark away and 1969 kapp home alt i love them

I was thinking about McDaniel. I've always felt an afinity for offensive linemen.

omg that would rule

i was too late 60s centric & im sorry

dont ask us when u are light bearer

not to be mean

mitchell & ness made a r mac

maybe this is ur size

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Randall-McDaniel-signed-Vikings-Jersey-64-JSA-HOF-09-/190624875639?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6220c477

otherwise you have options

haunt the internet til u find it in your size

or email my guy charlie at

http://yesteryearsports.com/

i bet he can make it

but he might want two jersey minimum order

in that case pm me i will then have good excuse to get a new jersey

:)

I got an autographed picture of carl eller at a car dealership once but I lost it :(

Hi paul

dude that DID rule

hi <3

what are you into this week

This week I got on Twitter for the first time & realized following professional athletes is super boring #begreat

ray nitschke rip???

Don't play with my heart like that, paul.

sorry

fwiw 1996

I was there.

really?

1998

like t owens?

:)

by the way im patently jealous of ur team

i like don hutson

It just wasn't meant to be for majik. :(

lol i had to google

didnt know u had a les steckel

majik IS in tecmo ask rae

We had many les steckels (dan devine, bart starr, forrest gregg, etc), 70 - 92 was rough.

whoa

usfl as only element magma wakes up to

my favorite part of the cade story is how the Vikings tried to sign him after he got out of jail for raping his aunt.

98% sure I saw John Randle with his family at the airport last week. Didn't say anything because I wasn't completely sure and he was with his family and what am I going to say but hi.

Loved that dude.

Man I miss John Randle. Any dude that makes it into the NFL after growing up without indoor plumbing makes you reassess any "troubles" that come up in your own life.


I am still very sad about my team. I'll feel 6% better after they draft Kalil. Or if Miami trades up with us to get Tannehill at 3 and we get Martin or Reiff at LT and an additional high second rounder THIS year.

Paul, did you see the 30 for 30 on espn called ” the greatest who never was”? Was about a guy named marcus dupree who was a college legend and played in usfl

magma my dad did he said it was really good

i intended to see it but until now forgot about it

honestly ive never seen a 30 for 30 & all i hear is how good each one is

:(

on a side note do u read uni watch

Not often but I've gone a few times over the years especially when the vikings redesigned their unis and I was freaking out about it

Throwback Jim Martshall-style Unis in TWENTYTWELVE.

i'd kill for am alan page judges robe with jersey numerals and name.

My buddy found a Devin Aromashodu Vikings jersey at goodwill the other team. Totes upset he didn't purchase that thing.

BRYAN WALTERS! #superbowlhomeboy

FauxPaulAllen is loving it on twitter!

WHO?

haha ok B&B -- you might have outed yourself here...

@martin_devaney Whadddup. Need an elite MN Twins take her. Do we move Mauer to pitcher and Blackburn to CF?

Mags

I wish I had the luxury/time to be FPA. It has to be someone here though.

I wish I had thought of it, but it's not me.

@FauxPaulAllen: Bryan Walters is like a more athletic Camarillo. Looks like I won't be drinking alone tonight! Boom! Just gotta get Bobby Wade back!#skol

I get the feeling it's former MRM poster "JoeAchay". He does great PA impressions and has been tweeting people I know

Main question I have is why did we dump Jeff Dugan? Was really an underrated TE and was incredibly talented. Great hands, blocking, jump

hahahaha. Where is Jeff Dugan now?!

my fantasy team is dugans heroes

hes team captain

:(

Dunno why I've never seen this Moss gem

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omg!

supposedly Wilf told Parcells to name his price to be the Vikings coach and GM and is pushing hard for him to come in and give Frazier and Spielman the boot. but then, sources are saying, this happened, but it was a while ago. and now the vikings and parcells are both denying it.

<a href="min.scout.com/2/1174243.html">TUNA TALES</a>

but what about leslie's inner peace and theologically correct sense of calm? /paulallen

give me the Tuna's no-nonsense FUPA power.

Faux Paul Allen ‏ @FauxPaulAllen
“@VikingsZap: StarTribune: Report: Zygi Wilf targeting Bill Parcells to 'run the show' http://bit.ly/w0rOYM” don't like it. Spielman rules

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it's like... BLADOW! nawmean?

Man, the snaps on Pacrcell's shorts should have got the MVP that season.

Parcells saw those clothes in the morning and thoght "This is what I am going to wear today."

now we know where the nickname comes from!

i'm sure wilf talked to parcells, he's like the biggest giants fanboy of all time

I've never been impressed with Fraizer, but if Wilf did this he would rank among the most clueless owners of all time. It's not even about Frazier/Spielman vs. Parcells, it's about firing your GM after he's been on the job for less than a six months. The way that this team has gone about hiring head coaches is embarrassing. I'm honestly starting to think that they are not so much dumb as they are really lazy.

I'm glad that picture isn't an animated gif otherwise it would be like the entertainment in Infinite Jest and I would die from staring at it

Didn't the Viking hire that Fran guy from San Diego to be the GM and then fired him after a few weeks. It's all a blur. Red McCombs has a more coherent plan for the future than the Wilfs do.

Fran Foley was let go because he totally lied about his resume

Foley, the Vikings' vice president of player personnel, described his coaching jobs at three schools -- Colgate, the Citadel and Rutgers -- as full-time assistant coaching jobs, when in fact he was a graduate assistant.

Also, a Rutgers spokeswoman told Star Tribune reporter Kevin Seifert that Foley was an administrative assistant from 1987 to 1990 -- not director of football operations, as the biography stated.

Earlier in the week, Seifert reported that Foley said a clerical error resulted in an overstatement of his college playing career at Framingham State College.

Foley played two seasons, in 1980 and '81, rather than four.

When asked whether he had attempted to embellish his career, Foley told Seifert, "I did nothing to misrepresent what I've done."

Mel Kiper has MN taking Kalil and with our RD 2 pick taking SS Harrison Smith - ND

I'm kinda hoping Smith goes #28.

What's the status of Nick Collins? Can't imagine him returning....

Unknown. Sitting down with team officials next week. Sounds like doctors gave him a green light, though.

Oh shit. Sounds like I'm behind on my packer preview.

I'm fine with Kalil and WR

Jeeeeesus Fuckington fuck fucking Parcells shit.

Hire one of these two and clean house.

Kevin Colbert: Director of football operations for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Tom Heckert: General manager of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Hahahahaha the GM of the Eagles. Might as well drive this thing off a cliff.

Schedule for the Vikings.

No prime time games outside of a THURSDAY night game at home vs TB. I'll for sure be going to see Moss in Week 3 vs SF.

Broncos have a shit ton of prime time games.

Cheerleader tryouts streaming live on their site.

McRibb just said he is a hall of famer.

Saint Pretzel '09 FTW

Greg Cosell says MN should take CB Stephen Gilmore with 3rd overall pick. What!???

players i want...

round 1: kalil, claiborne or blackmon
round 2: janorice jenkins, alshon jefferey, or kevin zeitler

i had a dream last nite that the colts didn't take andrew luck

i would be so happy if the Colts took RG3.

is RG3 some sort of robot? fuck i'd take a robot

RG3 has some of the worst hair I've seen in a long time.

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Colts GM has already come out and said they are taking Luck, btw.

you're a racist

We watched a draft preview last night. The trim status this year is seriously hurting. Lamichael "Leno chin" James? R "Chia Pet" G3? Andrew "Curtis Armstrong with a haircut" Luck? Good god! Where do I rest my eyes??

As always...on Timmy.

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Emily, just do what I do and focus on the stunning manly beauty of Mel Kiper.

or John Clayton!

Clayton looks like Gary Oldman's character from Red Dragon.

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I'd say he lools more like Tweety Bird, but tevs.

Zeppelin Titties on a Jesus morelike amirite?

Hahahaha! Really, does it matter? Tebow, genuflect before your duumvirate.

Packers released Nick Collins today. There's yr safety.

If they don't get a Kahlil and/or better o-line, we'll need another QB pretty soon.

Kalil is being talked about as a once a decade player. considering the hole we have at tackle, and that our offense is built off the run game, it would be idiotic to pick claiborne. i know i'm sounding like a broken record, but it is going to take a couple years to rebuild our secondary, but our OLine could be anchored for the future by this guy

ATL got Samuel for a 7th round pick. Wtf?

ok, actually read that piece, here are the important LT vs. DB in first round talking points:

Offensive line is the second-most-reliable place to avoid busts, finishing just ahead of linebackers and defensive backs.

Like wide receivers, defensive backs taken in the second round retain virtually all of the value from DBs taken in the first round, but they get paid a fraction of the cost on draft day. That little piece of information isn't enough to pass on a cornerback like Patrick Peterson on draft day, but it's enough to make other positions seem far more valuable. If you don't get a cornerback in the second round, though, you're probably better off passing altogether.

So last year it seems like the Ponder pick was universally panned. Looking back, is there someone we clearly should have taken instead?

I'm still pretty bummed about the prospect of him as our quarterback, I guess

i wanted Mike Pouncey (C for Dolphins), Prince Amukamara (CB for NY Giants) or Anthony Castanzo (T for the Colts).

from the accounts i've heard pouncey was awesome. castanzo was solid and people are excited about his future. amukamara didn't play too much as he was out most of the season with a broken foot so it's probably unfair to evaluate him. he got an interception toward the end of the year against the eagles and got some playing time in the super bowl though.

Amukamara was the guy I wanted. Thought we were going to go T then.

You guys read that Buffalo wants to trade with us? They want Kalil. Their offer is only a 2nd rounder which is hilarious

Well, their first (10) and their second (41) -- let's be fair.

Still probably wouldn't do it.

i know there's a big drop off between RG3 and Kalil. but the skins gave up three first round picks and a second to move up from 6 to 2 and the bills want to go from 10 to 3 for just a second?

I didn't see the part where they'd give us 10. I think that's assumed but didn't see that

Now Tampa says they like Richardson and might trade with us. Perfect scenario is with them

i'd do it for tampa's first and second round picks.

The only thing I like about ten (buffalo) is that it would be a good excuse for Michael Floyd or appearantly Stephon Gilmore

I'd take the Tampa trade, for no other reason than you are still probably going to wind up with the guy you really wanted, and get a third rounder on top of it. Trade with Buffalo, and you wind up with none of the three guys you wanted.

i know they are unsexy positions, but i'd be just fine with taking a top guard and safety instead of tackle/corner. i'd be stoked to nab decastro and harrison smith with our top two picks.

The tampa deal is great if you want kalil...as long as you know they are moving up for the running back, there is zero chance that the browns would take kalil

Harrison Smith will be taken by the white dude coaching systems of Das Patriots or
Green Bay, Wisconsin meat Packers

1. If the Vikings pass on Matt Kalil, someone should be fired.

On Monday’s B.S. Report, both our editor-in-chief and former NFL GM Mike Lombardi agreed that to them, and to most executives, it was clear that Trent Richardson is the third-best prospect in this draft. If I had any sort of self-awareness or humility, I would probably defer to Lombardi on this one. It’s a good thing I don’t.

Now, saying Richardson is the third-best prospect doesn’t mean the Vikings should take him at no. 3. Minnesota already has a decent running back, and in terms of positional value, selecting a back third overall is a risky proposition. But my contention comes with their point itself.

When Stanford visited USC last season, many hyped the game as Andrew Luck vs. Matt Barkley, who were, at that time, the two quarterbacks expect to top draft boards in the offseason. But — in an all-time football nerd move — I was more excited about going to see the two offensive tackles on the top of everyone’s list.

Moose Martin from Stanford will be a first-round pick, and he played like it that night. He has good quickness that will likely make him a formidable blind-side pass blocker at the next level, but rarely did he overpower opposing linemen, even in college.

Watching Kalil is like watching a high school highlight film. The last college lineman I remember putting opposing players on skates like Kalil did that night was Oklahoma's Jammal Brown, who did it against USC in the 2004 national championship game. Even for those not coming to the game to watch him play, Kalil’s dominance was evident.

At almost 6-foot-7 and over 300 pounds, the guy has incredible feet and does a great job staying on balance in pass protection. If anything has become clear in the last several years, it’s that teams at the top of the draft who already have or can’t get a quarterback are often best served solving a bookend offensive line problem early on. Kalil is the guy who can do that, and Minnesota would be crazy to pass on that opportunity, no matter how valuable they say that pick is.

the browns have the best LT in the game. of course they aren't going to take Kalil.

Just looked at PA's mock. He has Blackmon at 9 going to CAR

Christ O Fire
4/26/12 11:48 AM
the browns have the best LT in the game. of course they aren't going to take Kalil.

yeah the browns already have the best-case scenario for kalil and he's only 27

Did anyone just hear the end of Common's show? PA and PV taped a fake play by play with Morris Claiborne intercepting Aaron Rodgers and taking it back all the day

"And just like Morris the cat...he PURRRRRS down the sideline to the end zone". Wow...just wow.

Common was on a great Morris Claiborne band wagon chant today

I get the worse feeling Spielman's going to botch this draft, somehow

hahah suntzu that feeling just means you're a vikings fan...and you're alive :)

shit what? is it happening?

Whoa! Wonder what the other 2 picks are?

Jay Glazer said the Browns wanted Richardson and were afraid the Bucs were going to trade up to 3 so they undercut them.

Do the bucs need a LT?

It would be awesome to have Claiborne, but I am hoping they take Kalil

Swap firsts, and we get a 4th, 5th and 7th. Yippee.

Bucs must not have cared, or cared enough to give us a three.

four 4ths now lol

4th 5th and 7th. That might not be bad, I think Tom Brady was drafted in... wait, I think he was drafted in the 6th. Fuck it, then

extra picks hi

incalculably better than no extra picks

paul hi

who do you want them to draft?

when does this start?

Cleveland trade was sweet.

Would Paul really say "incalculably"?

Sun, Vikes just picked.

can we be happy in here?

I love him, I'm so excited.

Oh man Em caught this, I missed it, but Kalil was wearing a purple tie. That's fucking SMOOTH.

i'm happy in here. This highlight video they are showing is making me even happier.

YES!!!!

We didn't fuck this up.

Exactly

Football fans in Los Angeles love this kid.

Quiet yooz!

Claiborne would be nice, but the left tackle is involved in a shit ton more plays than a corner. I love it.

Love Kalil, super excited about the trade and the pick.

shrewd moves

Rams trade 2 for several picks, the first of them being 6, which they trade to Dallas and move to 14 and a 2nd. Granted, they need a bunch of people, but going from getting RGIII to maybe getting Michael Floyd? Wonder if they ain't doing it for the money -- first rounders are slotted.

Holy hell the trades. Good job Vikings.

Cowboys ballsy.

Yeah, if I was a Rams fan I'd be fucking furious.

And Groovy, love you buddy I do but the LA joke is expired. It will be funny again if they actually move, but that bit is over 2 years old.

yeah go stare at a trophy or something

or go watch your favorite baseball team the twins.

Wtf is wrong with this fucking guy that just got picked?

Hahahahaha yes, touche'.

Tampa fucked it up

Great job so fart by the vikes

The NFL Draft 2012 has been a parade of embarrassing hairstyles.

Gotta say I'm impressed by getting 3 additional picks to let a team move one slot (granted one was a 7th but tevs). Spielman played Holmgren/Tampa like a cheap drum.

Dontari Poe, aside from his embarrassing haircut, is fucking unreal.

Nas is dead to me.

fitz floyd combo is cool

Floyd used to practice up the street from here.

New England trades up? That's not their M.O.

Yeah so weird to see NE trade up

NE trades up TWICE!

WE TRADED UP!

Gotta be Smith?

Oh SHIT what's it gonna be? Stretch for Dennard?

Harrison Smith!!!!

That's a hell of a first night for you, dudes.

Whoa a safety? I'll have to do some research.

Their third rounder and a fourth rounder.

just #35 and #98 im seeing

no third

Sounds pretty good

lol

NATURAL BUBBLE!!!!

Oh I was talking about his physical appearance, not his playing ability.

Mix-A-Lot's in trouble imo

I think it honest to god refers to his posterior.

IT MEANS HE HAS A MAGNIFICENT HEINIE, SOAPY

I guess I'm wondering more about the authority concerning the "natural" part.

Yeah, that I don't get at all.

Fuck yeah. Spielman nailed it. Feels good, man.

You make me feel like a natural bubble.


Riley hi.

Now if only we could parlay our back half of the draft bounty into a second rounder to nab Janoris Jenkins or Alshon Jefferey.

Jerry Sandusky writes for yahoo sports #WentThere

Janoris Jenkins. Think about what a horrible human being you would have to be to get kicked out of a college football program in FLORIDA.

He doesn't seem that bad. The reports I've read say he's not a horrible human being, he's not a real hot head and not an idiot either. He likes sex and weed and seems not to take it seriously every time he fucks up.

You forgot the bar fights.

But yeah, I guess. He sounds like a nice replacement for Chris Cook and a perfect roommate for Jerome Simpson.

I like the picks. Green Bay's first rd pick will try to get past Minnesota's first round pick.

They were college team mates.

Wrt trade to ravens... Must feel like Hill will be there at 35

I dunno. I peeked at some comments sections and I think people seemed to either prefer Upshaw or Konz (homers). A lot of people seem to like Perry though. The pre-draft articles that had the Packers taking McClellan all assumed Perry would be gone.

I had you guys thinking you'd love Harrison Smith. Pash rusher I guess is a need for y'all

groovylucifer
4/26/12 11:28 PM

You forgot the bar fights.

But yeah, I guess. He sounds like a nice replacement for Chris Cook and a perfect roommate for Jerome Simpson.
4/26/12 11:30 PM

(I kid. I hope he can pull it together because he seems insanely talented)

you are right, his rap sheet has red flags all over it. i just mean that the reports from his interviews have been pretty good considering his reputation, it's like he smokes weed but he doesn't go Johnny Jolly on it, he impregnates women, he doesn't go Chris Cook on 'em.

and the great thing about the Jerome Simpson signing is that it virtually ensures Percy won't have any more migraines!

Huge need. it'll be a fun little subtext in the GB/MN games having two rookie ex-teammates going head to head.

New Vikings LT Matt Kalil called Nick Perry, his former USC teammate, ""the best player that I've ever played against." -- Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde)

I don't think that comment from Kalil means anything. Guys were team mates and basically scrimmaged each other. I bet perry says Kalil is best LT he has gone against.

Of course.

Odds of MN trading themselves back into 2nd round to get WR or CB? Spiel man wants to but I dunno what they can offer. Be nice to have 3 starters from rounds 1-2

TRADE CHILLY

we've got a high third round pick (66 overall) and three fourth round picks. we can definitely move back into the second round.

Weren't two of the 4th round picks compensatory?

yeah

still

Those can't be traded, but they might make it more palatable to trade the earlier one.

oh really??

the earlier one is #23

we gave the #3 to balt

:(

well groovy, you just learned me something. i had no idea you couldn't trade compensatory picks. seems odd. i mean, theoretically teams could still do it NBA style, right? draft a player for the team you are going to trade him to.

I don't think so.

no it's two. sidney rice and ray edwards.

two

Round 1 draft pick reactions via animated GIF files

Vikes got Seinfelded!

Some poor guy got prank called about being picked 27th overall

it totally makes sense (to me) that you can't trade compensatory picks...like for example if they were packaged to move up to a top 5 pick or something the teams being leapfrogged would rightfully be a little butthurt

What strikes me as odd is that we've selected three teammates to go with three of our four highest picks. So our big guys can each have a pal to go through training camp with.

i'm stoked about Josh Robinson. blazing speed and a solid performer throughout college. i don't get why a guy like dontari poe who was a very average college player, starting just 12 games, recording 33 tackles and 1 sack for a 2-10 team and making second team conference usa is able to boost his stock so much by his combine performance while Robinson goes in the third round. Poe was the strongest guy in the draft, he weighs 345 lbs and ran a sub-5 second 40. Robinson was the fastest guy in the draft, has solid size for his position and also had the best broad jump, 3 cone drill amongst defensive backs and had the third best vertical. in other words, another combine superstar, just like Poe. except, Robinson produced at the college level. started 3 years. made freshman all-american team. two time conference usa first team. 10 interceptions. a couple of touchdowns. scouting reports i've seen say his weaknesses are run support and jamming receivers at the line. dontari has a lot more weaknesses than that. beautiful third round pick up.

i also like the greg childs pick. he was great back in the Ryan Mallett era before he tore his ACL, but if he's really back to normal (as his combine performance suggests) he's a steal in round 4.

Also a kicker named Blair

First name no doubt.

Yup.

awesome video of Childs against Auburn in 2010 pre-ACL injury. in this video, he's like the perfect receiver. we know he has size and speed, but the effort and football IQ are fantastic, coming back to the ball, going up for it over the middle, pushing for the extra yard to get the first down or touchdown, tapping his toe on the way out of bounds. hard not to be excited about this guy.

I'm happy with the draft. I know everyone wanted to move up, but how? No team was going to fall back out of the third round with the new CBA, and two of our picks were compensatory and couldn't be traded. We'll be mediocre this year but it's going in the right direction for fucking once. Now let's see if Frazier can actually coach these guys.

Seems fine to me; they didn't obviously fuck up anything

Let's predict: I'm going with 6-10 this year

Super Bowl, homie...







For the Steelers

Steelers did a good job beefing up their OL

Hopefully Robinson isn't the DHB of cornerbacks. Super fast but not a stud

I feel really good about Kalil and Harrison alone

I like that both Harrison and Robinson can return kicks so that we can save my favorite Viking ever WILLIAM PERCIVAL HARVIN for game-on-the-line returns.

7-9 hi???

please

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If that gif teaches me anything, it's that Brad Jones, Charlie Peprah, & Jarius Wynn once played for the Packers. Not for long.

just rented a car to sage rosenfels, really nice dude.

Did he rent a purple car?

I almost feel bad for Woodson in that clip because he gets pummeled by AP yet he's literally one of the only GB Packers that can tackle well.

Also...McKinnie's hustle is A+

Maybe this was already brought up at some point, but did anyone else read about how that piece of garbage McKinnie had to take out a $4.3 million dollar loan against future earnings during the lockout due to being dead-ass broke? Mind you, when the lockout occurred, McKinnie had already been playing for nine seasons and had amassed tens of millions in earnings to this point (I had the number at $65 million based on his three contracts but couldn't confirm the exact figure). He was told the lockout would happen and he needed to save money. And STILL he was not only broke, but needed to borrow $4.3 million just to keep the lights on.

He'll be bankrupt within 90 days of retirement.

Cool.

And STILL he was not only broke, but needed to borrow $4.3 million just to keep the lights on. just to keep the fridge stocked

Vikings RB classing up the joint by beating someone to a pulp for saying he looked like Eddie Murphy.

Although maybe he just fell down.

I'm so happy about the Vikings NFL draft.

Hey, look...he looks NOTHING LIKE Eddie Murphy, ok?

Eddie Murphy is very handsome

As a lady in a fat suit

Is this the general football thread?

There has been a shooting at Junior Seau's residence, TMZ is reporting that he is dead.

whoa

Marcellus Wiley just about broke down on the radio just now here, apparently they're pretty close. He said Seau had some car accident recently that a lot of people suspected was a suicide attempt. Nothing confirmed yet.

The Yahoo article said he's the eighth member of the Chargers Super Bowl team to pass away. That seems crazy.

http://pgionfriddo.blogspot.com/2012/01/curse-of-super-bowl-chargers.html

In 1998, linebacker Doug Miller, also just 28, died when he was struck twice by lightning while on a camping vacation.

Holy fuck.

WUT

Dear God, this is the saddest sports radio stuff I've heard. Poor Marcellus Wiley.

natrone means be careful

you mean Patron, bro

Whoa! Curse!

The car accident was Seau driving off a cliff. Must not have been a very high cliff. He said it wasn't a suicide attempt.

I'm also worried for Tatupu, whose TD celebration was one of the best in the bigs.

RIP Junior :(, one of my favorite players when I was a youngster.

:(

man i loved that chargers team. RIP

Yeah, Wiley said he talked to him privately and Seau told him he fell asleep at the wheel. Now he's breaking down on live radio and talking directly to Junior. Seems like they should just let him go.

Great chargers team. Wasn't going to beat the story book Steve Young 49ers but I still rooted for them.

Wasn't Eric Benimy (sp) our old RB coach on that SD team?

yeah sure why not

coud seau be the first tecmo player to die

jesus

Wiley was saying that during training camp, Seau bought all the trainers equipment so he could treat himself in his dorm room away from everyone else. Could be some "no one sees me hurt, no one gets in" thing.

eeeesh

Wow the NFL has even more problems. Apparently he shot himself in the chest like Dave Duerson did, the implication being that the only reason you'd do that is if you wanted your brain preserved for study. I think Duerson asked in his suicide note that his brain be sent to some university to be examined. I'm not a big enough fan to remember Marcelus Wiley as a player, but I've had a very high opinion of him as a person since moving out here and listening to his show, and he's still on air now even though his show ended an hour ago. He was just talking about how he cut his career short because he wanted to have a life when he was older and now he has to wonder if he didn't cut it short enough. Also mentioned that the NFLPA told him that the average life expectancy of a football player is something like 52 years. So nuts. I think there's going to have to be changes to the sport in the next couple decades.

I wonder if all the dudes who say the NFL is becoming touch football will cut the shit now that one of the toughest players (and post-career celebrities) killed himself. I love watching football and hockey, but the hits with and to the head need to stop NOW.

marselus wiley on espn, damn this is hard to watch

I'd agree that changes need to be made, but pro sports are hardly the only occupations with heavily correlated longterm health issues.

But being that they're by far the most visible, I could see changes happening there first.

The video of his mom at the press conference this morning is too much.

People also shoot themselves in the chest so they can have an open casket. Let's not read too much into that, especially since his first attempt theoretically would not have preserved his brain.

True.

I'm with SK on this one-- interesting article that I may have linked to already:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7559458/cte-concussion-crisis-economic-look-end-football

Can't easily do the linky stuff on my phone

The Vikings cut Ryan Longwell today. Kind of unbelievable. The reports on the guy they drafted in the sixth round were not too stellar, yet it looks like they are just handing him the job. I guess he's a bit of a big leg/shitty accuracy guy. Longwell was and still is an excellent kicker.

Longwell couldn't nail anything 35+ nor could he get us any touch backs. Love him but the dude is old and we can pay a younger guy less money to do that

Put him to sleep.

Longwell was 6/10 from 40-49 yards. 2/3 over 50 last year. he had a far worse year than usual for him and was still better than the average kicker. i just can't believe we would hand things over to such an unproven player as this Walsh kid without keeping Longwell on to show him the ropes and provide insurance should Walsh blow it.

walsh was 21/35 last year

wtf

20/22 & 20/23 in 09 and 10 though

Kicker aint gonna make the difference this year -- out with the old and in with the new. If we are going to suck, suck with younger, cheaper players.

Longwell is a class act and I wish him well -- maybe he'll hook up with a team with a chance of going to the playoffs.

Hahaha you guys are arguing about a kicker

Longwell is fucking awesome. I hope he goes to a playoff team.

He has a great kicker name, too

def an aptronym

Vikings needs to sign a kid named "Throwswell"

I love players with names that fit their position. Pat Angerer comes to mind. Mack Strong. Quentin Jammer. Alge Crumpler.

I've always thought of "smoot" as the sound the ball makes when it slips through your fingers.

The Vikings need a marquee kicker like the Twins need a lights-out closer.

Steven Catchesballabunch

He Hate Me

Mike Rotch

That'd be great if Longwell's replacement was Ferd Shanksalot or something

Boof Bonzer

Hah!

Ferd

See: tonight's Twins starting pitcher.

Longwell had a good run, but he's useless on kickoff and you don't use 2 roster spots on kickers. They need someone who can kick deep because the special teams units are so terrible.

How many teams have the weird setup the Vikings had for a while where their punter did kickoffs and another guy just for field goals?

My looney toons stepsister-in-law started dating J0ey Br0wn3r but it was over before I found out!

woah dude

Yeah like real recently.

double woah!

wow

J.Witness I hear?

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currently up for sale on craigslist!!!

link

I like the name Asher

Guess which fat former Viking is skipping his current team's mini-camp to work on his "conditioning"?

god, mckinnie is such a mess.

lol never change bryant, never change...btw, i hope your work on serena william's rap album is proceeding as planned

Hahahaha that shit about McKinnie is AWESOME.


Also, my man Percy Harvin may holdout due to his contract being lousy. I say YES! $12 million for five years is a joke, give him the 5 year/$25 million deal he deserves. Dude CAUGHT for over 1300 yards last year and that doesn't even include special teams or the fact that the QB spot was garbage the entire season.

"League sources say Harvin has requested a trade"

In the interview I read yesterday it sounded like he was upset with more than his contract.

Harvin realizes he's wasting his time here. It sucks he's vocal about it because dudes like AP and Allen seem fine. I guess they also got paid though. Percy should get hella paid ASAP

Some people wanna win more than they want money.

Aww, crap!

noooooooooooooo

fuck. i get it though. i mean imagine if percy replaced wes welker in new england. welker had 123 catches and more than 1,500 yards last season. i think harvin is the better receiver, let alone total player. then you factor in his youth...

no! not percy!!!

guys I spoke to coach & he's ok.

This sucks :-(

What usually happens in this situation? Can the Vikings just say Nope?

They can & probably will say nope. Then he misses camp or gives in.

You'd think the younger guys would be more okay with sticking around with a rebuilding team that really needs and values them. Plenty of career left to be on a winning team.

That said,

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Any reasonable football player should come to the conclusion that they will win a super bowl with the vikings, eventually.

I would think requesting a trade in the NFL, especially in Harvin's position, is basically a guarantee that he won't get traded because all the teams will be coming in with low ball offers. Unless the Redskins trade their 2015 and 2016 1st round picks for him. He'll play out his 2 years and then go play for a good team.

Take back the stadium! Get off my lawn!

Percy is the 64th highest paid receiver in the NFL. that shit is fucked up.

percy miracles

shit like this makes we want to ignore the nfl.

Harvin may be a great athlete, but I'm not sold he's a great player. He seems to be a player without a position, though he's growing into one.

It's not that hard to play out your damn contract and save the whining for when you leave town.

Spielman says no trade. Good.

Percy the best slot receiver in the league and yes better than Welker and they'll have this shit figured out by next week.

yup, feb-july is basically made up news as far as nfl goes

Good point.

Reverse lockout. Go Percy.

Harvin just tweeted saying its not money/contract related. Says him and Frazier on same page

Either he thinks Ponder sucks, hates Musgrave's offense, wants to be on a winning team, or has some serious in town drama. Maybe all of the above? Imagine Harvin in Welker's slot position in NE. Fuck....

Wonder if Spielman would trade him to CLE to hang with his boy Chili?

Kinda sounds ungrateful after the Vikes put up with and helped with all that migraine stuff.

It's funny people bring up migraine stuff. Didn't he get diagnosed with sleep ap. and has been fine since? Dude played in every game last year.

Girl problems?

Girl problems?

No

he thinks Ponder sucks, hates Musgrave's offense, wants to be on a winning team

Yes

B&B, I was about to call bullshit on Percival playing every game last year but you were right!

Percy will be juuuust fiiiiine. AP will straighten him out.

With Rudolph and Carlson likely to be out on the field a lot, which in turn leaves two wideout sets, I wonder how they are going to utilize him. Do you line him up outside? Do they spell between Carlson and Rudolph and use three WO sets more often? Musgrave hasn't called for my input yet this season which is fairly concerning, even if it is just OTAs.

I wonder if they are putting him in the backfield more now since AP is hurt. Maybe Percival hates that shit

Kinda sounds ungrateful after the Vikes put up with and helped with all that migraine stuff.

Matt Birk could not have said it better.

News flash: Percy Harvin is an impetuous little punk sometimes. He's getting paid what he is because of his draft position, which would have been much higher if not for character concerns. Kid made his bed.

AJ Hawk for Percy straight up. Whaddaya say, Rick?

;-)

If you would believe the words he put on his twitter account, money is not an issue at all.

Enjoy the season!

That's a big "if."

Percy reported at winter park today, will practice, per frasier on kfan

Coach, if this shit goes south, you renaming the dog?

He's going to rename his dog "D'imperio"

If Harvin does get traded, Terrell Owens was just cut from his indoor football league team so they could just sign him. Problem solved.

apples and staplers.

Harvin via Twitter today. Damn he's confusing...

"I'm really clueless on the crazy reports...had great prac today ....to all my real fans and real vikes fans see u at Mankato..salute,"

Maybe Les and Percy cleaned the van and found consensus.

all provided by Simpson?

Clearly the dude is a little prone to moody ups and downs. He's got 2 more years on his contract, the Vikes have upheld their side, he should too. Hopefully his median mood is in the right place for the Vikes.

i disagree wholeheartedly. the vikings have upheld their side of the deal only because it is in their interest to do so. if his performance wasn't worth the money they'd agreed to pay him they would cut him and thereby refuse to pay him what they agreed to. all nfl teams do this. therefore, if the player is outperforming his contract, he should have full right to try and leverage his value to get more than the original agreement.

Nfl contracts are non-guaranteed bullshit. Each side has their leverage and rarely does it favor the player. This would be a timely exception.

Yeah, I agree to an extent..

The flip side is when those guys sign long-term contracts, they (and their agents) know they may be trading the highest possible year to year earnings for stability (and still what is a lot of money). The team can always get burned if/when players don't perform. There are way more busts than players who outperform.

The owners definitely have the leverage in the NFL, more than any other league. Percy's production last year more than cancel out any injury issues and time he's missed IMO. He deserves more money, undoubtedly, but he can't expect the Vikes to pay him more and still get out of here in 2 years, but it sounds like that might not be the case. This is weird.

All that said, I was kinda surprised to see how highly paid some NFL players are, it's annoying to look at this list but it's still a list nonetheless: Forbes 100 highest paid athletes

A ton of football players are up high, several making more than 30 million a year.

This is a bit easier.

10. Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos, $42.4 million

12. Haloti Ngata, Baltimore Ravens, $37.3 million

13. Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona Cardinals, $36.8 million

14. Ndamukong Suh, Detroit Lions, $36 million

15. Charles Johnson, Carolina Panthers, $34.4 million

16. Mario Williams, Buffalo Bills, $33.2 million

22. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets, $28.3 million

27. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams, $27.8 million

28. Tom Brady, New England Patriots, $27.1 million

30. Eli Manning, New York Giants, $26.6 million

31. LaMarr Woodley, Pittsburgh Steelers, $26.5 million

38. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets, $24.2 million

43. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers, $23.3 million

50. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles, $22 million

51. Logan Mankins, New England Patriots, $21.9 million

51. Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders, $21.9 million

53. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings, $21.5 million

56. Jon Beason, Carolina Panthers, $21.4 million

58. Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions, $20.9 million

63. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, New York Jets, $20.3 million

66. DeAngelo Williams, Carolina Panthers, $19.9 million

67. Joe Thomas, Cleveland Browns, $19.8 million

68. Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs, $19.6 million

71. Ryan Kalil, Carolina Panthers, $19.4 million

77. Robert Mathis, Indianapolis Colts, $18.7 million

78. Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh Steelers, $18.6 million

85. Jonathan Joseph, Houston Texans, $18.1 million

86. Darnell Dockett, Arizona Cardinals, $18 million

96. Russell Okung, Seattle Seahawks, $17.1 million

99. Rolando McClain, Oakland Raiders, $16.7 million

those people on the list dan and uncle jam are citing ARE NOT making those figures on a per year basis. those numbers include signing bonuses. that may be how much they'll take home this year, but it's not what they make each year of their contract. sure they're still walking away with a ton of money but the truth is there isn't a single NFL player that makes $30 million per year.

just clarifying the facts because i think that list is very misleading.

Percy claimed via twitter that his problem wasn't money

Yeah I realized that after reading more closely, because Haloti Ngata's description said he was the highest paid (not including endorsements, highest from the team) athlete on any team sport.

I mean, I'm way sympathetic to the players in terms of contacts, but percy is pretty erratic and seems a little off sometimes so he's probably a bad case to frame this debate around. Who knows what his deal was?

jawknee, i don't think you are getting that the team's can cut a player at any time, and no matter how many years they have left on their contract the team doesn't have to pay it. the team can opt out at any time. recently they started putting in guaranteed money for star players and top draft picks, but even then the teams can opt out and pay just the guaranteed amount instead of the full value of the contract.

Guaranteed money is not a new thing in NFL contracts, not sure where you're getting that info.

it's certainly become more popular and a more important factor in contract negotiations during the past five years.

Gotcha. Not sure if it's more important or just better reported. Often the base salary is also guaranteed for the season once the player reports for training camp (or in some cases makes the regular season 53). That's nothing new either.

anyone who doesn't think percy is worth more than 900k/year is a dolt

I don't care what he's "worth." I care what his contract is for.

Well good luck with that line of thought!

Pay the man!!

holy shit, Chilly was Spygate's Deep Throat!!!!! I guess he heard there was a bounty on Favre from a player in the NFC championship game and apparently went to the league with it.

HIRE CHILLY!

I'm curious how Sharper plays into all of this.

Sharper is a piece of shit.

continue

Hahahahaha

...and I hope he develops horrible arthritis.

"hold my diiiiick"

Greg Cosell of NFL Films breaks down Ponder and Andy Dalton after re-watching all their 2011 game film...

These are two second-year quarterbacks with much to build on from Year 1. At this point, almost everyone will say Dalton is the better player. Will that be true in two years? I don’t think that answer is as certain.

Adrian arrested for wanting H20

Arrested for resisting arrest...and Ordering Water While Black.

Sounds legit

Hard to get mad considering brah just wants a water

tmz says he was wasted and was trying to get another drink

Turns out off duty cop works as a bouncer